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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE
FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN
AND FOR PAU., BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
CASE NO.502009CA040800XXXXMBAG
JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
Plaintiff,
SCOTT ROTHSTEIN, individually,
and BRADLEY J. COWARDS,
individually,
Defendants.
HEARING BEFORE THE HONORABLE
JUDGE DAVID CROW
Monday, February d, 2013
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9:01 a.m. - 9:1B a.m.
Palm Beach County Courthouse, Courtroom 9C ( is )
205 North Dixie Highway
Palm Beach County, Florida
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Stenographically Reported By:
Sara Storey, FPR
Florida Professional Reporter
APPEARANCES:
On behalf of the Plaintiff:
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Tonja Haddad. P.A.
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BY: TONJA HADDAD. ESQUIRE
On behalf of the Defendants:
Searcy. Denney. Scarola, et al.
BY: JACK SCAROLA, ESQUIRE
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PROCEEDINGS
MS. COLEMAN: Excuse me one moment. I'm
sorry. The fast page of that notebook I need to
take out. Can I just grab my -- they're my notes.
THE COURT: I can't read your notes?
MS. COLEMAN: Well, I wouldn't want to give
you my notes without giving a copy to Mr. Scarola,
because that would be inappropriate.
Good morning, Judge. Tonja Haddad --
THE COURT: Let me just stop you and ask you,
is this something I can do on an 8:45. it seems
like a lot?
MS. COLEMAN: No. Your Honor, it's not.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. COLEMAN: It is my motion on behalf of
Mr. Epstein. And since the date it was filed I
have sent repeated requests to Mr. Scarola's office
asking for a specially set date upon which he was
available to argue our motion.
THE COURT: All right.
MS. COLEMAN: Mr. Scarola refused to provide
us dates and instead unilaterally set it before
this court today. What was originally set before
this court today was an issue related to our
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discovery which I think would be more germane to
the issues since you denied our protective order
last Thursday. There is no way this can be heard
in five minutes without belaboring the point. And
we would respectfully request that since
Mr. Scarola's office is not cooperating that you
would provide a specially-set date upon which we
can argue our Motion to Dismiss in a corporated
memorandum of law.
MR. SCAROLA: May I have my five minutes to
convince you otherwise?
THE COURT: Let me just say, I generally don't
give dates for counsel. I don't get involved in
scheduling. What I generally do is say you
schedule it within a certain period of time, if you
don't I'll schedule it. But Yes, sir.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. May I approach the
bench?
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you.
Your Honor, this is our fourth amended
complaint And the fourth amended complaint makes
two changes from the third amended complaint which
was the subject of multiple challenges all of which
were denied. Those two changes appear in the
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wherefore clause as to count one, and the wherefore (1)
hearing?
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clause as to count two. Both of the changes are
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THE COURT: Well. I'll tell you what I'm going
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identical. The prior complaint said that we
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to do. I'm going to look at it. so if you want to.
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reserved leave to assert a claim for punitive
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you know --
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damages upon satisfying the statutory
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MS. COLEMAN: Then I will —
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prerequisites. The amendment says
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THE COURT: Go ahead.
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counter-plaintiff Edwards, having satisfied the
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MS. COLEMAN: Go ahead. I'm sorry.
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statutory prerequisites for the assertion of a
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THE COURT: We got more than five minutes.
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claim for punitive damages and having been granted (9)
MS. COLEMAN: My position is as follows.
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leave of court to assert such a claim does hereby
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respectfully Mr. Scarola's opinion is just that.
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also assert a claim for punitive damages. The
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His opinion of course of his complaint is that it's
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factual allegations of this complaint remain
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fine, there is nothing wrong. Our position is in
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absolutely unchanged from the repeatedly.
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drast contravention to Mr. Scarola's opinion. The
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unsuccessfully challenged third amended complaint. ( 14)
law, in ow opinion, and as proved by our
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The Motion to Dismiss before Your Honor is
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voluminous notebook with which you've been
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nothing more than a motion for a reconsideration of ( 16)
provided -- and for the record, we've provided over
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Your Honor's having granted the leave to assert a
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two hundred pages of documentation to Judge Crow in
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claim for punitive damages. And the concept that
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support of our Motion to Dismiss. The legal
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it is necessary after having satisfied the
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standard for pleading punitive damages under note
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statutory prerequisites to again argue all of the
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was looking at. But the rule to plead special
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that have previously been denied and to wait for a
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damages. I believe it's 1.210 or 1.200. It's in
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special set hearing in order to do that. I suggest
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our motion -- requires heightened pleadings. So
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to Your Honor, is simply a transparent attempt at
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by — just as an example to give Judge Crow, by his
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further delaying getting this 2009 case set for
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own admission Mr. Scarola has virtually changed
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trial. That's the reason why I have been insistent
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nothing in his complaint. That assertion by its
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upon dealing with this matter at an 8:45 hearing.
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very nature clearly goes to the fact that the
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because I firmly believe that when Your Honor takes
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complaint has not properly been amended to add a
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a look at this complaint you will find that that is
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claim in punitive damages.
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the only change and it does not warrant a special
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And I apologize to the court, the special
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set hearing after Your Honor has already granted
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pleading requirement statute is 1.120(G) and 768.72
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leave to amend to assert a claim for punitive
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of the Florida statutes, require different
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damages.
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pleading.
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Just so that it is clear what has happened
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THE COURT: So let me stop you and make sure I
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here. I have highlighted on both the copy I
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understand you. What you're saying is that even
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provided to Your Honor and the copy for opposing
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though I may have given permission based upon the
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counsel each of the factual allegations that were
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proffer made at the time of the hearing to plead
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supported by record evidence that allowed Your
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punitive damages you still have to plead sufficient
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Honor to grant leave to assert the claim for
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ultimate facts to establish punitive damage
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punitive damages. No new factual allegations have
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liability --
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been added to those that formed the basis to assert
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MR. SCAROLA: Yes. Your Honor, and the case
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the claim for punitive damages to begin with. So
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law clearly supports that and based upon my
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that's the reason why I have asked Your Honor to
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communications with Mr. Scarola I realized that
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deal with this at an 8:45. so that we can finally
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this was going to be a problem that could not be
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get a trial date in this 2009 case.
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addressed in five minutes. We were going to need
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Thank you, sir.
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to convince you otherwise, which is again why I'm
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THE COURT: Yes. ma'am.
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requesting that you allow us more time to argue
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MS. COLEMAN: Your Honor, before I respond to (23)
this, because it's a very important issue.
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that, respectfully I'm asking am I going to be
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obviously.
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compelled to argue my motion in this five minute
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THE COURT: How much time do you need to
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MS. COLEMAN: I need at least 20 minutes to
argue my point, Judge.
THE COURT: I don't give 40 minute hearings.
I only have 30 minute hearings.
MS. COLEMAN: 15, I can do it in 15.
THE COURT: Go ahead.
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THE COURT: I have 15 minutes.
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MS. COLEMAN: I don't have all the case law ( 11 )
with me right now. We were set on a five minute
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hearing. I was coming in here to request that you
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give us a specially set hearing. Judge. If you're
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going to compel me to go forward at this exact
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moment —
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THE COURT: Is the hearing about the stuff
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I've got in front of me? You know, I'm pretty
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familiar with the case law in which you've cited
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here. These are all standard cases. These are not
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the factual predicate is for your motion. The case
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law is very clear. I understand the case law. I
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THE COURT: Is it something in addition to
what's in your memorandum that you want to tell me?
MS. COLEMAN: With the case law? No. Judge. I
would like to be forwarded the opportunity to
properly prepare and argue my point. I've been in
your courtroom many. many times as you know --
THE COURT: I'm just asking a simple question.
Is there something more than what you've outlined
very articulately in the memorandum of motion that
you need to argue or can I read it and understand
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MS. COLEMAN: I'm confident you can read it
and understand it. Judge. but respectfully, the
last couple of times we've been in here and we have
not been permitted to outlay our argument. for
example. the Motion for Protective Order, which we
tried to get specially set for 15 minutes and
Mr. Scarola would not agree. we get ruled against.
I'm trying to do my job here. I'm trying to
adequately present my client's position. I feel we
have a very strong Motion to Dismiss. I'm asking
this court to allow us the 15 minutes within which
to argue it and to not permit — I don't know -- I
don't have an --
THE COURT: When will you be ready to argue?
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MS. COLEMAN: Any new case law from what.
Judge? I don't know what's been submitted to you
in the past.
THE COURT: In support of your motion.
MS. COLEMAN: In support of my motion, no. I
filed it on the 18th.
THE COURT: No. I mean, any recent cases that
have changed the law in any manner. There is
nothing new in the case law. What you're really
doing is the case law as it applies to the
allegations of this complaint presumably is what
you're saying.
MS. COLEMAN: Yes, I am. Judge.
THE COURT: Okay. So tell me what's wrong
with this complaint.
MS. COLEMAN: I'm just --
Are you making us do this argument now?
THE COURT: I'm not making you do anything
now. I'm sitting here. I got the thing in front
me. I said maybe we can argue it now. You're
telling me you're not prepared to argue the motion?
Is that what you're saying?
MS. COLEMAN: I was prepared for a five minute
hearing and I'm telling you. yes. I would prefer
to-
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MS. COLEMAN: You can -- we have a UMC set for
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Wednesday morning. If you'd rather set this for
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Wednesday I'd be fine with that.
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THE COURT: I have got time today, how about
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that? I can get my calendar. Will you be prepared
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to argue it today?
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MS. COLEMAN: Judge. my office is in Broward
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and I have depositions set today. I don't know
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that I'll be able to do it today, but I'd be happy
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to do it Wednesday.
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THE COURT: Let's get you scheduled here.
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Okay.
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MS. COLEMAN: Thank you very much.
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THE COURT: Do you have the ability to look
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and see what your schedule is like right now?
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MR. SCAROLA: I have my phone here.
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THE COURT: Are you prepared to do that?
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MS. COLEMAN: Yes, sir. I have my calendar
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hew on my phone.
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THE COURT: Go ahead and get your calendars.
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Let's get your schedules here. You need 30
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minutes. I'm going to go ahead and get it set.
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This is one of the older cases on my -- I know
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it had some procedural hiccups. but I want to try
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and get it to the point where we can --
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Can you do it at 8:00 in the morning? You
generally don't have things scheduled at 8:00 in
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MS. COLEMAN: Yes, sir, we have done that
before.
MR. SCAROLA: The only day that 8:00 would be
a problem would be Wednesday. because I'm scheduled
to be on a plane to Tampa Wednesday morning at
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THE COURT: How about Monday the 11th, 8:00?
MS. COLEMAN: I can do that.
THE COURT: All right. Somebody notice it.
Okay.
MS. COLEMAN: Judge. if you do have the time
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l'HE COURT: We can do it at 8:15. too.
MS. COLEMAN: That's fine. That's fine with
me. Judge.
THE COURT: 8:15. That will be better. 8:15
on Monday February the Ilth.
MS. COLEMAN: Thank you. Judge.
If you would like to address one small issue
now that Mr. Scarola and I both agreed if we had
time we would prefer that you address.
You denied our Motion for Protective Order
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documentation.
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THE COURT: Okay.
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MR. SCAROLA: Your Honor, this is the
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pecuniary circumstances of discovery relating to
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punitive damages.
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THE COURT: Right.
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MR. SCAROLA: It is already past due. It's
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more than 30 days. I had suggested at the time of
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the hearing that Your Honor should include a time
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for response, because I anticipated this problem
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and I requested ten days. There was no time for
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response included in the order and opposing counsel
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has said I want 30 days from the entry of the order
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denying my motion for protective order, which would
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give them a total of in excess of 70 days to
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respond to this discovery. I believe that that's
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entirely inappropriate. The filing of a Motion for
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Protective Order does not relieve them of the
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obligation to prepare and be ready to submit the
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discovery in a timely fashion if the motion is
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denied. So my request is that ten days from today,
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which is now one week beyond where it was before,
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that discovery response be submitted. That's the
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request I made.
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There is an ancillary issue. And if I may
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THE COURT: Is there a motion or something?
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MS. COLEMAN: It's set on your docket for
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Wednesday, but I believe Mr. Scarola said he was
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going to bring everything if time permitted.
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MR_ SCAROLA: I don't have that other file.
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THE COURT: Basically, Judge --
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MR_ SCAROLA: I do have --
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MS. COLEMAN: I don't know that we even need a
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You denied our Motion for Protective Order
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last Thursday. You delineated the confidentiality
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order that you would like entered in this case and
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Mr. Scarola and I are working on different drafts
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of that. However, you did not provide in your
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order a date upon which our responses. whatever
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they may be. to Mr. Scarola's discovery would be
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due. So we had agreed 30 days from the date of
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your order we offered to Mr. Scarola thinking that
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was reasonable, but Mr. Scarola disagreed. So we
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would ask you to please give us a date upon which
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ow responses to his discovery --
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THE COURT: I don't remember what the
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financial requests were right now.
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MS. COLEMAN: Voluminous, over five years of
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approach, Your Honor?
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THE COURT: Sure.
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MR. SCAROLA: This is a copy of the order that
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Your Honor entered.
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THE COURT: Okay.
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MR. SCAROLA: And Your Honor outlined what you
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believed the appropriate terms of a confidentiality
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order to be. I drafted a proposed confidentiality
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order that exactly tracks the language in Your
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Honor's order and I submitted it to opposing
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counsel and they have not agreed to that
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confidentiality order. which is no surprise.
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because its one more way in which they will
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attempt to delay the response to the discovery that
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we are seeking. I would ask Your Honor to
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simply --
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I don't believe that after Your Honor's
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already entered the order that outlines all the
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confidentiality provisions that another order is
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necessary. but you contemplated another order. so I
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would ask Your Honor to enter the confidentiality
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order that you said would be appropriate.
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MS. COLEMAN: Your Honor. I have not even read
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that. It was e-mailed on Friday and I e-mailed
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Mr. Scarola back right away -- and I can prove this
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if I have to. I haven't had an opportunity to
review it yet, much less send it to my client or my
co-counsels --
THE COURT: Well, what it is is a bullet point
of exactly what I said.
MS. COLEMAN: I understand what it is, Your
Honor, but --
THE COURT: Well, is there something you want
more than in my order?
MS. COLEMAN: I haven't read it. Yes, Judge,
there — no, I would like to have it say what you
say in your order, but there may be --
This is our protective order, Your Honor.
This is to protect Mr. Epstein, my client. While I
appreciate Mr. Scarola's constant opinions of the
law and what should be submitted, its my client.
I should at least at a minimum have a right to
review it and edit it if I believe it's necessary.
I'm not adding -- I don't anticipate adding
anything that the court hasn't delineated in its
order, but I think it's incumbent upon me as
counsel of record for Mr. Epstein to at a minimum
be able to review a confidentiality order that's
going to order by Mr. Scarola's own constant words,
a billionaire, to disclose all of his financial
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MS. COLEMAN: An order regarding the discovery
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due date or --
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THE COURT: Yeah. And whether or not I'm
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going to require a confidentiality order and. I
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mean -- basically -- I mean. I'm looking at my
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order and what I -- I couldn't tell you what I was
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thinking, but I spelled out everything that I
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thought was necessary and only if you thought
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something more then I was going to allow you to do
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something different, but -- or less.
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MS. COLEMAN: Respectfully. Judge. in my
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granted less limited experience than Mr. Scarola in
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the legal arena, if an issue arises with this
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confidentiality order we were trying to place the
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burden not on you purportedly drafted the
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confidentiality order by nature of your order. but
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rather having an agreed to confidentiality order
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between the parties that you would merely sign
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rather than using your court order and asking you
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to rule on exactly what you just said what you
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meant at the time you drafted it
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THE COURT: Okay. I'm not sure what I'm going
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to do, but I'll get you an order out here today.
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THE COURT: Well. I guess what I'm asking
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MS. COLEMAN: I've read your order. Judge. I
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have nor read Mr. Scarola's proposed
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THE COURT: I'm not asking about the
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my order. What in addition to what I put in the
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MS. COLEMAN: Judge. I read your order
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Thursday afternoon. I don't remember. I wasn't
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prepared to discuss the confidentiality order this
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morning. I wasn't told it was going to be heard.
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I wasn't told that Mr. Scarola was going to present
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you with a copy of what he had drafted.
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THE COURT: Okay. I'll get you an order out.
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THE COURT: Have a great day.
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MS. COLEMAN: Thank you. Judge.
MR. SCAROLA: And I would respond to that if I
had any idea at all what she just said. So I have
no response.
THE COURT: Excuse me?
MR. SCAROLA: I said I would respond to that
if I had any idea at all what it is she just said.
but I don't.
THE COURT: Thank you.
MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. Your Honor.
THE COURT: Have a great day.
MR. SCAROLA: And you too, sir.
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
I, Sara Storey, Florida Professional
Reporter, State of Florida at Large, certify that I was
authorized to and did stenographically report the
foregoing proceedings and that the transcript, page I
through 20, is a true and complete record of my
stenographic notes.
Dated this 4th day of February 2013 in Palm
Beach County, Florida.
Sara Storey,
Florida Professional Reporter
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