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From: David Fiszel <
To: Richard Kahn
Subject: Fwd: Lyft meeting
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 00:59:42 +0000
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>, Jeffrey Epstein <jeevacation(iefigmail.com>
My analyst met with LYFT CFO for an update and I thought I would pass along in case you are interested.
Sounds pretty +ive to me but we don't own it.
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From: Joyce Jen <
Date: August 31, 2017 at 8:38:03 PM EDT
To: InvestmentTeam
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Subject: Lyft meeting — RBC bus tour
Key Takeaways:
Focused on US ride-share only, no international, no other services like Lyft eats
Biggest distinction of them vs Uber is the experience
Sees world shaking out as KO vs PEP
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In several markets have over 50% market share now
Growth got a lift after the Uber issues from earlier this year, but has accelerated from there
Can't control D b/c will be highest at commute times and that's dictated by work hours
Biggest issue / barrier to growth is getting more drivers
Thinks competition at this point will be hard — a new entrant today needs to spend tens of billions to get to
where Uber and Lyft are now
Ride share will be won by AV
They are partnered with Waymo, but can't talk about any details
Biggest hurdle for AV right now is cost of the tech
Brian Roberts, CFO
Founders: Logan Green and John Zimmer
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Founded zimride in 2007
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Traditional ride share
Sold to enterprise in 2013
Sounded lyft in 2012
Transportation as a service
2015 $2.251 of spend in US consumer transportation
Ride sharing will be majority of future state
Today $2.15T car ownership
$12B taxi and limo
$9k annual cost per vehicle
Vehicle payments, insurance, fuel, parking, mtc, registration
Avg usage = used 4% of the time
Believe transportation in the future will be bundled
Future => Mileage Subscription Plans
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$200B mkt telco (VZ, T)
Where?
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Phase = 1/1/2017
US pop coverage 51%
8/31/17 = 94% coverage
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Launched 40 states since
Statewide in 40 states, have service in 48 states
Historically focused on big cities
Now have best coverage in US of any ride sharing co
Critical scale and unprecedented growth
Mo's of consec 100% yoy ride growth? 50
All US, not international
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All cities = 50
Top 20 cities = also 50
New users today look like orig users back in 2012
tt of cities with >1M monthly riades
Today = 9 cities
July '16 = 3
July '15 = 0
The first 3'/: yrs vs 2016 vs YTD 2017 keeps accelerating
Q1 15 = 11% share (series E)
Q4 15 = 16% share (series F)
Q4 16 = 20% share (series G)
Today = 31% share
Today RR of over $5B of GMV
Certain cities do have filings of mkt share
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Do have licensed drivers where that data is available
NYC one city that reports
Get, Juno shrinking in that mkt
Sharp uptick from Uber issues?
Did get tailwind, but given how they are tracking in Q3, would call it a big blip that has accel'd from that point
Does matter how you get there
Secret sauce
1. It matters how you get there (mission to treat ppl well)
Founders approach and mission = really to improve the world, make the world greener, etc.
Drivers will say Lyft treats them a lot better than Uber
Riders area also nicer
2. Focus
Not looking at other markets = food, international, flying cars
Stuck with the one mkt
One of the number one things is around safety
Lots of jurisdictions elsewhere in the word where felt like cldn't keep drivers or riders safe
Wake up and go to sleep focused on US
Not to say won't ever go int'l
Can do it lots of ways (JVs, etc)
3. Service level obsession
Without scale, can't get same level of service
Magic number = 3 minute ETA
Big kink in the line of ride growth when can hit that level
Then brand and experience wins
4. Founders-led with stable executive team
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2 founders better ability to attract talent
5. Partner with the best
Fun halo, no darkness to the brand
Have partnered with SBUX, DIS, GOOGL / Waymo, key airlines (DAL, LUV, JBLU), TMUS, HTZ, GM, Jaguar / Land
rover
What about autonomous?
Human Drivers = today
Human Self-driving = next 10 yrs
Will happen faster but take longer than ppl think
Will see driverless cars soon, but will take time
Can run on a programmed route pretty safely
Will evolve over time to take into account all the diff scenarios you might see
Analogy = launching 5G if you cldn't fall back on 4G
Power of a hybrid network = know where they are and where they are going
Will also be curve on consumer adoption
Can shape S to a certain extent with humans
Impossible to shape D
Every day there is a morning and evening commute
Can't build toward the peak with autonomous, will have too much under-utilization
Outperforming 2017 plan
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Gross bookings
Active passengers
Rides per passenger
Completed rides
Contrib margin
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EBITDA
Top-tier investors
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KKR, AB, PSP, Baillie Gifford
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GM, Jaguar, Rakuten, BABA, Tencent
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Janus, Coatue, Fortress
Metrics
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Have more than doubled # of active passengers this yr
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And freq incr'd by DD %'s
Passenger churn
When he started, wld pay a fortune on passenger acq
Have pretty much turned off free rides for new users
Retention = if someone paying for that first ride, the quality of that passenger is better
Went from CPA in mid-$40's few yrs ago to single digit
A162, Founders Fund, Mayfield (zimride)
Driver churn
Have found there are just diff types of drivers
There is a certain use case in mind for some ppl
Some are tgt-ing specific # of $'s
When hit their tgt, go away
Then have a new tgt and they are back
So hard to measure churn b/c have these drivers that are super active and come back
Some drivers are clearly FT
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FT driver can make over $100k of gross revs rt now
Clearly have ppl who intend to do it, sign up and then never start
A&A = approved but not activated
Have done a good job re-activating drivers
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Lyft is about community so create good resources for them
CPAs have been in a good place given the value
More around just needing drivers
Not the time now to optimize that
Rt now, favoring growth over pure optimization
Any mkts where north of 50% share?
Have multiple
5 yrs ago, wld have been an outrageous thought
Uber has been trying to kill them for 5 yrs
There are some cities where passengers and drivers have made a choice
West coast more lopsided than central and east coast
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Uber started first with black cars and limos
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Lyft started with P2P
When Uber saw Lyft model working, took it took the east coast and rolled out fast
Moats around the business model
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Both co's started focusing on P2P 5 yrs ago
When he joined Travis was big on talking about how this is winner take all, network effect
Need to differentiate b/w D-side and S-side network effects (like FB and LNKD)
Ride sharing is a S-side network effect (like mobile carriers)
Have raised a lot of capital
It's expensive building up those service levels
For a new entrants, very expensive to do it today
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$10's of B's to do it today to build something nation wide
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To build to 2-3 minute ETAs
No one will try to do it with human drivers
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Ride share will be won on AV
Goes back to — matters how you get three
Drivers and partners who won't work with Uber b/c culture so toxic
Trying to lean in on what they do better
And their focus has been on treating drivers better
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Will be more and more like KO-PEP
Uber ride passes
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Lyft focused on sustainable growth
Think will be difficult for Dara to keep bleeding money
Everyone has a negative surge exp that marks their exp with the brand
Think having consistent prices
LTV = ppl who use regular rides at commute time are least valuable to them
Highest LTV = off-peak passenger going to the airport
How to create loyalty on the S side?
Used to have something called power driver bonus
Over time, morphed to tt of rides
Tried to encourage better kind of S
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Got bonus for newer car
B/ca way for them to pay for that upgraded car
That's coming down as a %
Will be certain times of day when you just have a surplus
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Used to be that peak times were weekends, but not commute D has changed that
Isn't lack of driver loyalty concerning if S-side network effect is that key?
Big lawsuit against Juno by their drivers for stealing from them
Juno tried to juice both sides by giving passenger discounts and driver commissions
Passenger discounts have entirely gone away b/c running out of money (why had to sell)
Games you can play in the ST, but had to do LT and at scale
Lots of diff strats by Lyft and Uber to keep drivers on the platform
Important to have diff modes = shared rides for ex
As you create route density, create matching density
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Shuttle mode more like fixed route
Can you partner with cities in the future for their municipal transportation services?
Founder Logan grew up in LA, hated traffic
Developed a zip car like program for ride share
Realized quickly how broken it is, all based on subsidies, rates don't make sense
Are partnering with some cities
Have taken one bus route offline and giving citizens subsidies for free rides and everyone happier
Waymo partnership
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Both co's have confirmed there is an agreement but can't go into detail
Believe in open autonomous networks
Obviously have a lot of D and data
Have announce down self-driving effort
GOOGL Maps ride share feature where you can compare prices
Both Lyft and uber have in their terms of service in API feeds, can't use wo
Both co's agree that GOOGL maps provides a lot of value, makes sense for them
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Get a lot of new users from that
For them, v valueable, one of their best partnerships
Biggest hurdle to AV?
Today, it's cost of technology
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Look at the cost of Lidar
Think even TSLA will change their tune on that soon
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SW can amortize over time
HW is expensive, custom, long lead times
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That's barrier #1
You could need crazy high utilization and only certain metros where time and distance rates are at a level where
can try to make it work in NT
Most of the pilots today are free, just to get the experience
Very long time before viable across the US
Take rates to drivers
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Take rates in US have been increasing
2 components:
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Service fee
Commission = historically 20%, grandfathered older drivers
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New drivers are at 25%
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Fare = time and distance
Service fee goes 100% to Lyft
Uber has a booking fee
Those fees have increased across every city in the US
For private rides, north of 30% take rate now
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Calculus of combined cost of driving
EXPE ex of agency + merchant model
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Lyft Line = shared product
Wldn't accept Line rides if had to take payout risk
They launched first, Uber copied quickly
Both co's taking arb opportunity to match better
If car going to a place where need S, will discount even more
Focus = Other areas that could be more tangential for you?
When he joined, Uber had 30-40x the capital, that was part of the drive to focus
When looked in the US, just saw so much opp
So much to do in the core, no need to think about adjacencies yet
Amazing how many I-II-I's are using ride share to fill in fewer cars in the home
4-5M ppl turn 18 ea yr and can use ridesharing
Brand tends to skew stronger with digital natives
Independent contractor discussion seems to have died down — is there room for that in the future and what does that
do to the model?
Don't think will see that change
Lots of drivers drive for multiple platforms and maybe do deliveries too
All abt treating their drivers better and giving them benefits, but prob won't happen
They are a lead gen platform for drivers
Can imagine both co's are focused on making dispatch decisions focused on loyaty
How is pricing trending?
Look at blended price
Q2 yoy with 3-4 cents
NY trips = higher gross bookings per ride
Joyce Jen
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