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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page19 of 883 JOHN ALESSI Mar-a-Lago? A. It was -- I know it was summer of 2002, and she spoke to -- far away. I wasn't -- I was in the driveway, and she was far away talking to Virginia. She spoke to her maybe five minutes. Q. Okay. A. And she came to the car, and we went home. In the afternoon, about 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon, the same day, Virginia came to the house. Q. Who brought her to the house? A. I don't know. She came to the back door, I remember. And she was dressed differently. She came to the house. Q. When you first arrived to the Mar-a-Lago with -- are you driving the car and Ms. Maxwell is in the passenger seat? A. Yes. Q. And could you see Virginia Roberts the car? A. Yes. Q. Where was she sitting or standing? far away from the car? A. She was standing right in front of the driveway. This is the Mar-a-Lago, the house, and MAGNA®