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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page252 of 883 Confidential Page 98 DAVID RODGERS How many passengers would that Gulfstream A. Twelve passengers, I believe. Q. And do you know how Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Adam Perry Lang, and Virginia get off of St. Thomas or leave the island? A. No. I do not. Probably a charter, I'm guessing. Q. If -- who would fly the -- well, is there any other plane that Jeffrey Epstein was able to access back then that was a private plane? MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to foundation. THE WITNESS: No. At that point in time we don't have the Boeing yet. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So how many airplanes did Jeffrey Epstein back then? A. Well, we -- I don't know if we had the 421 then. We may or may not have. But it wouldn't -- you know, you wouldn't be flying the 421 down to St. Thomas with Jeffrey. It is too long of a flight. Q. The Cessna? A. The Cessna 421, correct. MAGNA®©