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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page295 of 883 Confidential Page 141 DAVID RODGERS time we landed at Cahokia with passengers on board. Q. What was the problem? A. We had a -- we had a static line that had cracked and it was causing our altimeters to not agree. And then we went to the alternate system, things got really worse because it was stopped up with a mud dauber somewhere in the system. That is why I remember that flight. Q. When you landed in St. Louis did the passengers get off the plane? A. Yes. And then they airlined -- I believe they airlined. They could have taken a charter, I don't recall. But I know they didn't leave with us. Q. All right. And the passengers that got off the plane would have been Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Emmy Tayler and Virginia Roberts? A. Yes. Q. And then on the 16th, those five days later, those same passengers leave Santa Fe? A. Right. Q. And go back to Teterboro? A. Correct. Q. When Jeffrey Epstein would go to his townhouse in New York, would you always fly into MAGNA®©