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O2OADKDTBWNE Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page358 of 883 Page 57 A. Yes. Before she was married, yeah. They split up and she went her own way. Q. Did she marry a Glen Dubin (phonetics)? A. That's correct. And Mr. Dubin used to come to the house, too. Q. Do you know, was Sarah Kellen ever one of the massage therapists before she became an assistant? A. I don't know if she was a massage therapist. I don't remember setting up a massage table for her. I think she was an assistant. And she would call -- at the end of my stay, I was -- tried to pull aside from my obligations and Sarah was doing all the phone calls and all the arrangement and all the looking out for these girls for the -- for massage therapists. They were constantly. Q. When did that role get transferred from you to Ms. Maxwell, the role of looking after girls and calling the girls? A. I didn't look after -- out for girls. Ms. Maxwell was the one that recruit -- I remember one occasion or two occasions she would says to me, John, give me a list of all the spas in Palm Beach County. And I will drive her from one to the other one to PGA and Boca. And she will go in, drop credit cards -- not credit cards, but business cards, and she come out. And O©IYHE BWNE Page 59} Q. And they called him uncle, you said? A. They called him uncle. Q. Did you ever learn what Tony Santiago did for a living? A. No. Q. Have you had any occasion to see him since the | time you left Mr. Epstein's employ? i A. No. Q. And you don't -- do you have any idea where he | is? A. Thave no idea. T remember an incident, one time the -- I went to pick her up at Royal Palm Beach [| and she was crying and | went and knock at the door and she was crying. And she says, well, -- I think it was Tony or -- because she used to live with these other d guys, too. There were two guys and her or two couples.} I don't know the arrangements there. But I remember that she told me the -- Tony or her boyfriend had got mad and ripped the furniture, he cut the furniture in i pieces and he even broke the screens. Because I was -- | when I went into to knock the door, the screen was all | ripped up like it was cut. And she told me that he got mad at -- I don't know what happened. I never saw him in there. Q. Did she tell you he had hit her or beaten her = rar ( 5 Page 58 then we go to -- she will recruit the girls. Was never -- never done by me or Mr. Epstein or anybody else, that I know. 1 don't know about Sarah because Sarah was there at the last, last -- probably last weeks of my stay there. So I cannot say anything about Sarah. Q. Was there any point in time -- well, let me ask you this way: Did -- you said sometimes you would call the girls to come -- A. Uh-huh. Q. -- to give them massage. And sometimes Ms. Maxwell would? A. Yeah. Q. Did there come a time when she took that over entirely from you -- . No. -- or that continued -- = That's continued. -- until you left? Yeah. Do you rememher, is Jeffrey Epstein godfather to one of the Dubin children? A. I don't know ifhe godfather. I don't remember that. But he was very fond to these children, the children. 832-7500 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401-377-676-2895) Electronicaliv sianed by Sandra Townsend (401-377-676-2895) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Page 60 at all? MR. CRITTON: Is the she, V., V.R.? MS. EZELL: Yes. Thank you. BY MS. EZELL: Q. Did you ever see during the time you were : there photographs of V. in the house, the Epstein houseP V.R. in the Epstein house? 3 A. I don't think so. I don't think so. Q. Did you ever see photographs of V.R. in Ms. Maxwell's albums? A. No. i Q. At the time you were employed by Mr. Epstein, } were there any hidden cameras? | A. No. Q. You do know that he installed some after you left, correct? MR. CRITTON: Correct. THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MS. EZELL: Q. Wasn't there a camera involved in the incident that -- the incident in which you took money from Mr. Epstein? A. Yeah. Yes. But I don't know if he install it or not. That's what he told me. Q. Okay. 15 (Pages 57 to 60) INC. (S61) 832-7506 7G6ef564a-daic-ddee-87ac-A479898cc’