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O©IYHE BWNE Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page357 of 883 Page 49 walking down from the main lobby towards the spa of Mar-a-lago. And I was driving Ms. Maxwell up, up the ramp. It's a little ramp there. And Ms. Maxwell says, stop. And she went and talked to -- she went inside. And that afternoon around 5:00 I saw V. came. She came to the house already, so she was there already. That was the first day I knew. And then she would com¢ regularly. Q. Did you ever meet any of V.'s family? A. No. I think she was -- one time I think her father drove her there. And I met -- I don't know if it was the boyfriend or husband or -- but he had to wait, make him wait outside while she was at the house. Q. Do you know the name or recognize the name Tony Santiago? A. I think it was him. Q. That was her -- A. I know he had an old beat-up car, Camaro or Mustang. I know it was very old car that I make him wait on the street one time. I make him come out of the driveway because we have to move some cars around. Q. Did there ever come a time when Tony Santiago was welcome in the kitchen? A. Ithink he came once in the kitchen, but ONIN BWNHR Page 51} there. So I would says, between three months maybe before I left. And I think I left at the end of the year, so it could have been -- | remember it was a very hard day because I had to wait in the sun outside in a convertible and | was dying, waiting for an hour for Ms. Maxwell. I think it was in the summer of 2002. Q. And if l remember correctly, you left in November or December of 2002? A. Yes. Q. So that might have been perhaps July or August of 2002? A. Uh-huh. Q. And, so, as I understand it, you only saw V.R. come to that house during the last three months of your time at Mr. Epstein's? A. Yes. Q. Do you have any -- any sense or can you approximate how many times she came? A. I cannot give you a number, but I would says, two, three times a week. Q. You mentioned that sometimes you would have tof call these massage therapists in the middle of the i night. Did you ever have to call V. for Mr. Epstein in the middle of the night? MR. CRITTON: Form. ( 5 61) Page 50 Ms. Maxwell told me to get him out. Q. Did she tefl you why? A. No. She didn't -- I guess she didn't want to become, you know, everybody -- because some of these people came with their husbands and they wait outside. And I guess she didn't want this to become a norm for everybody to bring their companions while they have -- they will do a massage for her. Q. During the time you were there, did you ever know of Tony Santiago bringing any other girls to Mr. Epstein? A. No. I knew that sometimes I saw V. bring other girls with her, not Tony Santiago. Q. Do you remember the names of any of those girls -- A. No, I don't. Q. -- that V. brought? A. That was at the end of my stay there. No. That was a very -- at the very end of the last month of my stay. Q. Did you give -- I don't believe I asked you, but if I did, forgive me. Did you give us an approximate year in which you were taking Ms. Maxwell to Mar-a-lago and saw V.R. for the first time? A. That was at the -- at the end of my stay 832-7500 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401-377-676-2895) Electronicaliv sianed by Sandra Townsend (401-377-676-2895) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, THE WITNESS: No. No. BY MS. EZELL: Q. Did there come a time while you were there that V.R. stayed in the house? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't think so. I cannot remember. No. BY MS. EZELL: Q. How many bedrooms were there upstairs? A. One, two, three -- one, two, three, four -- four -- so that would be five, five bedrooms. Q. Five. And, so, would one have been Mr. Epstein's bedroom? A. Yes. His quarters was big, huge quarters. Q. Sort of a suite? A. Yeah. And he has -- this is the room. His : bathroom was here and her bathroom was here. The mair|_ room was here. And we have -- it was two sets of doors | before -- two sets of double doors before you can go into the suite. There was one on top of the stairway and one in the middle of the hallway. And then you walk into the -- into the suite. Q. Okay. And you -- you just put a red eight by 11 folder in front of you? A. Yeah. 13 (Pages 49 to 52) INC. (S61) 832-7506 7G6ef564a-daic-ddee-87ac-A479898cc’