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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page364 of 883 Page 8 Q. What family was that? A. It's, it was an older house in New York. I worked there for seven years, no, five years before I get the job in the Seagram company. So, I guess I had some experience to continue. Q. Do you remember the name of the family you worked with for seven years in New York? A. Frank, Frank. Q. His name is something Frank, F-r-a-n-k? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember the first name? A. Fredrick. Q. And were your duties as house manager for Fredrick Frank similar to your duties as house manager for Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes, yes. Q. And when you started in 2005 when you heard that there was a job position with Jeffrey Epstein, did you interview for that position? A. Yes. Q. Who did you interview with? A. First I got interviewed with Ghislaine Maxwell. And that's G-h-i-s-l-a-i-n-e, Maxwell? Right, right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91 d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e GIUFFRE004431