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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page367 of 883 Page 15 A. I don't know what kind of business but she was the one who organized I would say employment with this organization. So, whatever I need, if I have some kind of problem, I contact her. She was the one who decided what I have to answer my problems with, what I was supposed to do. Q. How many times did you have problems where you had to go through her? A. Well, not big problems. Just a question of what certain, how to do certain things. For example, what kind of flowers I have to buy, what kind of things he likes, what time I supposed to serve him coffee in the mornings, sort of organizing things. Q. Those are things that you wouldn't ask Jeffrey Epstein directly? A. No, no. He doesn't like those things to ask him directly. He would like to prefer either through his assistant or like I say, Ghislaine Maxwell. Q. Is that still the same today? A. Yes, still the same. Unless, something happen that I need to, nobody is around and I need to urgently contact him, I go to him directly. Q. So, for the most part if you have a question or at least -- let's go back to 2005, you had a question about what needed to be done in the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91 d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e GIUFFRE004438