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Case 18-2868, Document 283, 08/09/2019, 2628241, Page384 of 883 Page 166 Page 168 1 written down anywhere? 1 for now we'll call it a massage -- as well as 2 A. No. 2 anybody who brought that person over to the house, 3 Q. It's my understanding that C. and T. 3. they would both get paid cash. Are you familiar 4 either came to his house alone to visit with Mr. 4 with that? 5 Epstein or brought other girls in their age group i) MR. CRITTON: Form. 6 to Mr. Epstein. 6 THE WITNESS: No. 7 Were you familiar with that type of 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 recruitment process of girls bringing other girls? 8 Q. If C. brought another girl over to the 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 9 house and C. stayed downstairs but this other girl 10 THE WITNESS: Yes. 10 went upstairs with Mr. Epstein, which one would 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 12 Q. Can you tell me more about what you know 13 about girls bringing other girls that are 14 relatively the same age to come to Jeffrey 15 Epstein's house and to use your words, have a good 11 you pay? 12 A. I don't know because I was told who to 13 pay. 14 Q. And Sarah Kellen always told you? 15 A. Sarah told me pay so and so. 16 time? 16 Q. So if we were going to ask anybody else 17 MR. CRITTON: Form. 17 about the exact method in terms of who would get 18 THE WITNESS: It's hard to know who they 18 paid and for what, who would the people be? I 19 knew. But I think that was -- they feel 19 mean, other than Mr. Epstein who else could we ask 20 better themselves when they're in a group 20 these questions? 21 than going by themselves, but I don't know 21 A. Sarah. 22 somebody recruiting. 22 Q. Sarah Kellen? 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. And you've talked about, at least 24 Q. She would know this? 25 referred to yourself I believe to the police and 25 A. Yes. Page 167 Page 169 as well today as a human ATM machine. Right? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Something like that. I was 1 Q. What about Ghislaine Maxwell? 2 3 4 supposed to carry cash at all times. 5 6 1 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: You're talking about the 4 boss. I don't know. BY MR. EDWARDS: 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. One of the primary reasons why you 6 7 carried cash was to pay the girls in this age 7 8 group of C. and T. for whatever happened at the 8 9 house, Right? 9 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: Yes. 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 Q. That's a fair statement. Right? 14 MR. CRITTON: Form. 15 THE WITNESS: Yes. 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: male Or Okay. And when C, 18 example, would bring somebody else to the house, 19 did you pay C. as well as whomever she brought to 20 the house, pay them both? 21 A. No, I pay only one person. 22 Q. Okay. My understanding, and tell me if 23 this is wrong or you can corroborate this, is that 24 Mr. Epstein would pay the girl that was actually 25 performing whatever was happening in the room -- Q. To your knowledge was Ghislaine Maxwell aware of these girls that are in the age group of C. and T. coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house to have a good time? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 1l THE WITNESS: I have to say something. 12 Mrs, Maxwell called me and told me not to 13 ever discuss or contact her again in a 14 threaten way. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. When was this? the friends fora job ands she told me this, but, 19 you know, I feel intimidated and so I want to keep 20 her out. 21 Q. What exactly did she say? First of all, 22 was this a telephone call? 23 A. Yes, she was in New York. 24 Q. She called you on your cell phone? 25 A. Yes. 43 (Pages 166 to 169) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 NON PARTY (VR) 000289