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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1320-12 Filed 01/03/24 Page 58 of 179 BY MS. MENNINGER: Q. Okay. And tell me about your first meeting with him. A. Sure. I met him, I believe it was in the hallway right beside the kitchen. There was a hallway. It was actually more like a room, a pantry type of room. That's where all of the pieces of paper with the phone messages would lay. And I remember sitting on the counter and speaking with him, and he was in a bathrobe, and he spoke with me about me being in college and studying psychology. Q. And did you form an opinion of him in that first meeting? A. I -- yeah. I believed that he was smart. He was personable and could speak to anyone. Q. Did he give off any sexual vibes in the first meeting? A. No. Q. And where was Ghislaine when you were speaking with Mr. Epstein? A. I don't recall. Q. Do you recall going to a second floor of the home during that first meeting? A. I don't recall. Ghislaine said at one MAGNA® LEGAL SERVICES