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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1320-12 Filed 01/03/24 Page 79 of 179 Page 78 Bubbly. Q. Did you see her in the plane or on the trip to New York engaged in any kind of affectionate or sexual contact with Jeffrey? A. No. Q. With Ghislaine? A. No. Q. How did it come to be that you were in a casino in Atlantic City? A. We, as we were flying, Jeffrey said, Why don't you go sit in the cockpit to check out the landing? So we were sitting there, and the pilots told me to go back and tell him that we can't land in New York and that we were going to have to land in Atlantic City. Jeffrey said, Great, we'll call up Trump and we'll go to -- I don't recall the name of the casino, but -- we'll go to the casino. Q. And what happened with an ID issue? MS. McCAWLEY: Objection: THE WITNESS: All I knew is that she was not going to be allowed to gamble, and so I spent time with her. We were just walking around. I don't remember what we did. Because MAGNA® LEGAL SERVICES