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Page 452 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME IV OF IV Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 CONTINUED VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE NO. 4 Friday, February 12, 2010 10:10 - 12:27 p.m. Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins • Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83esb3-b5a6.47c4-9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723972 EFTA00723973 Page 453 Page 455 1 APPEARANCES: On behalf of Jane Does I through 8: 4 STUART S. MERMELSTEIN, ESQUIRE WIT2, P.A. I 7 8 Phone: E-mail: On behalf of the Dekndant, Jeffrey Epstein: to MARK T. LUTDER, ESQUIRE El LUTTIER & COLEMAN, LLP 11 Phone: 13 14 ALSO PRESENT: n ShashaQuimby,Videograpixe Visual Evidence, Ineaporated 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PROCEEDINGS Deposition taken before Cynthia Hopkins, Registered Professional Reporter and Florida Professional Reporter, and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This is the 12th day of February, 2010. The time is 10:12 ant. This is the videotaped deposition of Jane Doe No. 4 in the matter of Jane Doe No. 2 versus Epstein, Epstein. My name is Shasha Quimby. I am the videographer representing Visual Evidence, Inc. Would the attorneys please announce their appearances for the record. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Stuart Mermelstein for the Plaintiff, Jane Doe No. 4. MR. LUTT1ER: Mark Luther for the Defendant, Mr. Epstein. Thereupon, (JANE 110E NO.4) Having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was 2 3 4 5 6 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 454 Page 456 3. 1 examined and testified as follows: 2 THE WITNESS: Yes. 3 THE COURT REPORTER: Thank you. 4 DIRECT EXAMINATION 5 BY MR. LUTITER: 6 Q. Okay. Good morning, ma'am. 7 A. Morning. 8 Q. You understand this is a continuation of 9 your deposition — 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. before? You understand you're still 12 tinder oath? 13 A. Yes, I do. 14 Q. Same rules apply as the last depo? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Okay. If you need a break let me know. 17 If I ask you a question you don't understand, let me 18 know and 1 will explain it to you. 19 Since your deposition on October 27th, 20 have you had an opportunity to review the transcript 21 of your deposition? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Were there any errors that you noted? 2 4 A. No. I haven't, well, I haven't gone through u t4 `~25 µ the whole thing but there is a few things that 1 INDEX WITNESS: — DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS JANE DOE NO.4 BY MR. LUMER 455 NO EXHIBITS 2 (Pages 453 to 456 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83oeb3-b5.16-47c4-9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723974 Page 457 1 noticed. 2 Q. What comes to mind that you noticed that 3 was inaccurate or needed to be changed? 4 A. A few misspelled words. 5 Q. Okay. Other than misspellings, do you 6 suppose there are any substantive mistakes? 7 A. No. 8 Q. And you say you haven't had a chance to 9 review the whole thing yet? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Do you know how much of it you've done? 12 A. 'guess pan one to part two. 13 Q. Okay. When did you start looking at it? 14 A. I've just been skimming through it since I got 15 it in the mail. 16 Q. Recently? 17 A. Yeah. Just recently certain dates come in to 18 mind. I was skimming through it like the weeks and 19 stuff. 20 Q. Okay. Have you reviewed anything else in 21 preparation for the continuation of your deposition? 22 A. Looked at anything else? 23 Q. Uh-huh. 24 A. Unh-unti. 25 Q. Had any meetings with anybody other than 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12 13 14 16 17 18 :9 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 459 A. I don't know. There was a few things that, well, my parents already knew but just going over like, like, I don't know, like, some of the questions. I don't — just over the whole general deposition, not like, I can't recall like certain questions or certain things that we talked about. Just like general deposition. Q. What is it that you felt that they needed to know about your deposition? t ell, I let them know about and that's about it. I'm pretty sure. Q. And by the way. did vou,did you discuss with them Q. Okay. anYthh18 else that you discussed wt A. Well, that's the only one thing that comes to mind. I'm sure there's other things that we discussed, but I don't remember what else. But that's like the one thing that I can remember. Q. You're aware that their depositions have been taken? A. Yeah. Q. Have you talked to them since their Page 458 1 your lawyer 2 A. No. 3 Q. — about your deposition? Talked to 4 anybody else about your deposition? 5 A. My parents. 6 Q. When did you talk to your pm cub? 7 A. I think — I don't remember what time. I'm 8 not sure. Shortly after my deposition I think. 9 Q. After your deposition back on, in 10 October - 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. — of '09? 13 A. No, after. Was it — what did you just say 14 the date of my deposition was? 15 Q. October 27th, '09? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. It was sometime shortly after that before 18 Christmas? 19 A. I don't remember when I talked to them but I 20 know I talked to them after my deposition. 21 Q. And what was the purpose of that 22 discussion? What did you discuss? 23 • A. Just to go over some things that I thought my 24 parents should know. 25 Q. Like what? PROSE 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COURT REPORTING Electronically signed by cynthia hooking Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins -97 -2 4) Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins Page 460 depositions were taken? A. Yeah. Q. And what was the substance of those conversations? A. I don't know. How are you doing today? What are you doing tomorrow? What are you doing today? Q. What did you ask them about their depositions in particular? A. Nothing. I didn't talk to them about their — they asked how it went, pretty much. But I know how a deposition goes. I went through one. So, I mean we just discussed like a deposition in general, like what, like how the experience is. Q. You say they asked how it went, or you asked them how it went? A. No, I asked. I know where depositions come fromMigtilliain things, like, how you guys and that's about it. Q. Anything else you discussed with them about their depositions? A. No. Q. Have you read any depositions in this case other than your deposition? A. No. Q. Have you read your parents' depositions? 3 (Pages 457 to 460) AGENCY, INC. 61133ceb3-b5a6.47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723975 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 461 A. No. Q. Have you been provided with transcripts of any of the depositions? A. No. Q. Have you spoken since your last deposition with any other Plaintiffs who have claims pending against Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Have you communicated in any way with any other Plaintiffs who have claims pending against Mr. Epstein? A. No. MR. MERMELSTEIN: You mean before then? THE WITNESS: Like have I talked to them? MB. MERMELSIEIN: Before or after the deposition? MR. LUITIER: Since your deposition on October 27. THE WITNESS: Like have I talked to them? BY MR. DOTTIER: Q. Yeah. Let me clarify what I mean by communication. By communication I mean any form of communication whether that's talking to them, some computerized form of communication, whether it's Facebook, Twitter, e-mails, text, anything like that 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. A. Q. Does have a last name? A. I don't know what his last name is. Q. And what was her relationship with-? A. Friends. Q. And what did you-all do while you were there? A. Nothing. We went withldsgi al and we — in part we went and saw the cit n, sightseeing. Q. How old is. roughly? A. How old is w1201._ Q. How old was roughly? A. I don't know, probably like 40, 50's, maybe. I don't, 30's, 40's. I don't know. Q. That's a 20 year gap from 30 to 50. A. I don't know how old, I don't know how old he Page 463 there for — never been there. So, we went up there' with some friends. What was her friend's name? Q. Is he closer to 50 than 30? A. No, probably not. Q. Was he married? A. No. Q. Have kids? Page 462 1 whether you wrote something to them. 2 A. Yeah. lam sure I talked to Jane Doe No. 7 3 but I don't know if I lanced to Jaw Doe No. 3 after my 4 deposition. I might have talked to Jane Doe No. 3. 5 Q. When was the last time you talked to Jane 6 Doe No. 7? 7 A. Probably like two days ago. Q. And for what purpose did you talk to her 9 two days ago? 10 A. She told me about her weekend. 11 12 Q. ligere is Jane Doe No. 7 living now? A. 13 Q. Have you ever traveled out of the State of 14 Florida with Jane Doe No. 7? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. Where did you travel? 17 A. 18 Q. And when was that? 19 A. I think it was my junior summer. Yeah, my 20 junior summer. My kali:beef in college in stammer. 21 That's when I lived in 22 Q. Okay. And why did you-all go 23 A. Why did, why did we go 24 Q. Yeah. Why did you go 25 A. Her friend invited us to go we went Page 464 1 A. I don't know. 2 Q. Ever been married? 3 A. I don't know. 4 Q. Have a job? 5 A. I don't Imow. I'm sure he had a job but I 6 don't {mow what it was. 7 Q. What did you know about hint? 8 A. Nothing. I really didn't -- I mean, he 10 Iliriutd she invited m like four of our, of to go to, or invi I No. 7 to go to 9 11 our friends. l Mini( it was five of us that went down 12 there. And pretty much I just hung out with my 13 girlfriends. I didn't talk to him. 14 He was Jane Doe No. '7's friend. You know, 15 he wasn't really around. And whenever he was, it 16 wasn't !didn't really talk to him. I was more 17 hanging put with my frill I was talking to 18 him trying to get to know 19 Q. Did you -- where did ou-all stay? 20 A. 21 Q. And did, does buying you-all 22 anything of value? 23 A. We went to. and he bought us all like a 24 dress to wear for that -- whenever we went out that 25 night. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia health's 4 (Pages 461 to 4 64) INC. 6183eob3-b5a6-47c4-9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723976 ?aye 40 Page 467 Q. And where did you-all go out? 2 A. I don't remember what it was called. 3 Q. Did he pay all the expenses for the trip? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Did anybody in your group compare him to 6 Mr. Epstein? A. No. 8 Q. Have you ever made the statement that he 9 was like Mr. Epstein? • 10 A. No. 11 Q. Other than the trio with lane Doe No. 7 12 and your other friends have you traveled 13 anyplace else with Jane Doe No. 7 outside the State 14 of Florida? 15 A. No. 16 Q. When was the last time you went outside 17 the State of Florida? 18 A. In December. 19 Q. And where 20 A. I went to th 21 Q. And who did you go with? 22 A. 23 Q. That's 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. And he's still your boyfriend? Page 466 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And how long were you gone? 3 A. Around six or seven days. 4 Q. Did you go with anybody else? S A. We met some friends there. 6 Q. Your friends or his friends? 7 A. Our friends. 8 Q. And who was that? 9 A. My fri 10 Q, is last name? 11 A (phonetic), I think. 12 Q. And how did you know her? 13 A. Through... 14 Q. And was there any it nIthesides 15 A. auk Her friend =. And 1,1know my 16 friend M I came too or this girl came. 17 Q. And was it a vacation? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. What did you-all do generally? 20 ed at like an all-inclusive hotel in 21 and hung out at the hotel, went out by the 22 pool, went to the casino one night. I don't know if 23 that's about it, vacation. 24 . Did ou say it was an exclusive hotel in 25 PROSE Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins • Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. What is the name? 3 A. I don't know. 4 Q. Can't be that name, right? 5 A. Yeah, I don't know what it's called, though. 6 Q. What caused you to say it was an exclusive 7 hotel? 8 A. Because we had wrist bands on and we didn't 9 have to pay for anything, except for food or drinks. 10 MR. MERMELSTEIN: You mean 11 all-inclusive — 12 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 13 MR. MERMELSTETN: -- not exclusive? 14 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 15 BY MR. LUTHER: 16 Q. Okay. And there was a casino at the 17 hotel? 18 A. No. 19 Q. You had to go someplace else to go? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Who paid for this whole trip? 22 A. My boyfrienckatell, yfriend paid for 23 some of the trip and and helped paid for some 24 of it because it was her Christmas present. 25 Q. Your boyfriend would be . Page 468 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And then what did II do? 3 A. AI Lig jth a . helped pay for it too, her and her 4 boyfriend =. 5 Q. Oh, was — 6 A. It Christrnas present. 7 Q. -= there, too? 8 A. Yeah. He showed . He had to work. 9 Q. How dig.y.91 ;mow It 10 A. That's= good friend. 11 Q. So, these really were friends of 12 as a result of you dating him you'd come to 13 A. Yeah. 14 Q. You-all go around places together? 15 A. No. We just went over Christmas. 16 . Q. Okay. They live here in the area? 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. Did you have a good time on vacation: 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Anything bad happen on vacation? 21 A. No. What do you mean "bad?" 22 Q. Well, any bad event I don't mean dinner 23 was late. I mean, you know, somebody got hurt or 24 something like that. 25 A. Oh, somebody got hurt or somethine„. _ aj 5 (Pages 465 to 468) COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 6f830.0b3-b5a6.47c4-9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723977 Page 4t ' Page 471 1 1 2 .1 3 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 25 Q. Yeah. A. Oh, yeah. Somebody got hurt. Q. What hap mj- d? A. My friend she was going to walk off the boat and she hit her shin on the deck, on the deck. Q. Okay. Have you, have you trawled outside • an lace since the tri in December to A. No. Q. Have you traveled -- where you do currently live now? A. Well, I stay at my boyfriend's house • sometimes I will stay at So, going back and forth between ere until I figure out what I want to do, where I want to stay, if I want to get my own place. Q. Okay. So, your sister has a — A. I go up to my parents' house too. Q. If I remember correctly from the last A. No. She has a house. Q. A house. And so, you stay there part of the time and then sometimes you stay at your boyfriend's? 1 him now. 2 Q. Okay. Well, describe what your current 3 relationship is then between you and him. 4 A. Well, I think it was the whole issue of going 5 through this whole deposition and being stressed out 6 about it So, whenever I would go out, like I 7 couldn't -- I wasn't even comfortable being out thinking 8 that somebody was going to, like watching me or being 9 paranoid. 10 So, when we would be out together and we 11 would be drinking, slot of this deposition and a 12 lot of this whole thing that is going on with 13 Jeffrey Epstein has brought a lot of stress on me. 14 So, when I would drink like I would be 15 angry and we would argue a lot more. But now like, 16 that, a lot of this is almost over, it's gotten, you 17 know, to the point, and after that whole thing it 18 was an eye-opener for me. 19 Q. The incident between you and IM 20 occurred before your deposition, correct? 21 A. Yeah. But I know I had my deposition and, you 22 know, you guys were goizgcr had investigators going to 23 my friends, going to my my family, you guys, 24 you know, were kind of harassing me, I felt 25 Q. Well, the investigators went to your Page 470 1 A. ME. 2 3 4 5 6 7 st Does he still have the same place in that he had before? A. Yes. Q. Is there any pattern that you follow there? A. No. Q. Majority of is spent where? A. Probably 10 Q. The last time we took your deposition, 12 11 shortly before that deposition there had been s me ncident between the two of u ant 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Do you recall that? 16 A. 17 18 A. 19 23 24 25 Yeah, nothing. Q. Did you resolve whatever your differences were with your boyfriend about that? A. Yeah. Things are really good between me and 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 472 when? A. Uh-huh. Q. ilifear — A. Q. At least a year before the deposition? A. w the exact date, but they went to sometime before my depositi.,, Q. Yeah. But do you remember how far in advance of your deposition? A. How far in advance it was, no. Q. How far before your deposition. A. No. Q. Do you remember filing an affidavit about it? A. No. I know she filed.one, but I don't remember the exagaws,s, Q. Okay. Sea called you and said somebody came, wanted to ask her questions about — A. Yeah. Q. — your involvement with Mr. Epstein? A. Uh-huh. Q. One time? A. I don't know how many times. I recall one time, yes. Q. She didn't tell you about more than one 6 (Pages 469 to 472) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 11083eeb3-bSa6-47e4-9336-1208fdl2413d7 EFTA00723978 Page 473 1 time, did she? 2 A No. Did it happen more than one time? 3 Q. Not to my knowledge., but -- 4 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Let, let Mr. Luther - 5 MR. LOTTER: Other than that - 6 MR. MERMELSTEIN: — ask you questions. 7 THE WITNESS: Okay. 8 BY MR. LUTTTER: 9 Q. Other than that, what other claim did you 10 make that investigators were doing anything? 11 12 knew i that I went to high school with A. re going around to people that I t 13 asking questions about me and my frienisi.e were 14 trying to get a hold of my ex-boyfriend, And 15 they were, I mean they were pretty much being ruthless 16 about it, the whole, everything. 17 Q. Basic, basically those investigators 18 talked to the same people the police talked to, 19 right? 20 A. I don't know if ifs the same people. 21 Q. Well, you know the police had corn* out and 22 talked to all your friends, didn't you? 23 A Did they? 24 Q. Yeah. They called all of your friends. 25 A. I don't know at that time who was my, hie — 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 after 22 23 24 A. Nothing. It opened my eyes. I was, how, how 25 much, this whole situation was aL" me. I can't Page 474 I don't know. I don't know who they, I don't know who they all talked to back then. Q. Just so, just so we're clear, you were well aware of tbe fact that the police were out interviewing a number of your friends, weren't you? A. Were they? I'm sure but the friends that Me — MR. MERMELSTEIN: Just, just answer the question to your knowledge. THE WITNESS: Yeah. MR LUTHER: Okay. THE WITNESS: I got, like-- BY MR. LUTFIER: Q. The police came and visited you, right? A Yeah. I know they came and saw me but my friends, are you referring to the people that, that, the girls that went to Jeffrey's or are you talking about the girls that didn't go? Q. Anybody that you knew? A. Yeah. Page 475 let it ruin my life. I saw a change in my behavior, like my attitude. It was making me stressed out. It was making me emotional. Like I would be happy one day, sad the next. You know, it was, it was like tearing my relationship with my boyfriend up, and we were getting in a lot more arguments but, I mean, it was like I was bipolar. I was happy one minute and upset the next. He was like what's wrong with you. And after this whole, after my deposition and like after, like, talking to my family about some things that, you know, some secrets that I had hidden. And I was open with him and told him things, it relieved a lot of things and it made me become a stronger person. And it helped me, like helped me through it a little bit, helped me through the situation and it made ow relationship stronger. Q. Okay. So, your kind of moved on beyond that now? A. Well, I'm working on it. Q. Have you been to see any psychologist or psychiat Page 476 1 Q. My question is you're aware that he is not 2 a ps I 7 B 9 10 11 12 :3 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Okay. My question is specifically -- A. I thought, no. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Well, let him ask the question. THE WITNESS: Okay. BY MR. LUTITER: Q. My question is specifically directed to whether or not you've seen any psychologist A. No. Q. psychiatrist. AIM Or I have seen Jeffrey — after my deposition? Q A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And you — before your deposition, you went to see an individ our lawyers sent you to. I think his name is He's the guy that flew in from California to see ? 7 (Pages 473 to 476) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183ecti3,b5a6.47c4-9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723979 22 Q. Do you, do you, do you 'mow him on a 23 friendly basis? 24 A. No. I never hung out with him out of the 25 office. ____.... PROSE COURT Electronically signed by cynthia booklets Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins • 2 3 4 Page 479 1 Q. Okay. Why — you went back to look at his 2 fish tank but do you see him someplace other than 3 his office? 4 A. No. 5 Q. Does your, does your boyfriend have some 6 relationship with him? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Are they in business together or anything 9 like that? 10 A. No. 11 Q. When you with went to see him again, did 12 you go alone? 13 A. Yes 14 Q. This visit two weeks ago? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. And the purpose of your visit was to go 17 see how be was doing, that is Mr. 18 A. Yeah, well, yeah, we didn't ha ve like a 19 one-on-one, like, session or anything. 20 Q. What, did you just drop in the office? 21 A. Uh-huh. 22 Q. Did you have, do you have an appointment 23 scheduled, or you just happened to be there? 24 A. No, I didn't. 25 Q. Okay. So, you dropped in as friend? Page 480 1 A. Yeah. Q. And you were up there for some other reason? 9 Q. So, you just ecided one day to drive down 10 to his office and see how he is doing? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. Any reason that you went to him other than 13 that? 14 A. No. I just know that he had a fish tank that, 15 that he had or whatever and I have a fish tank or my 16 boyfriend has a fish tank. So I like looking at fish 17 tanks. And he said he had it all hooked up and stuff, 18 so I wanted to go look at it. 19 Q. When did you fend out he had it all hooked 20 up? 21 A. Well, I know he got a fish tank from the last 22 time I went and saw him. He had an empty fish tank. 23 So, I wanted to go see if it was like all hooked up and 24 everything. I didn't know but I just kind of figured, 25 last time I went there it was calland hers set i i 8 (Pages 477 to 480) REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 6183aob3-b5a6-47c4-9338.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723980 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 481 everything up from the last time I was there. So, I wanted to go look at it and see how it was progressing. Q. If I understood your testimony originally, you said he told you? A. I didn't mean to say he told me. I was just saying whenever I went there, he had an empty fish tank and I know he was like working on getting stuff set up for it. Q. So, was it just happenstance or out of the blue that you decided on this particular day you would go by and drop . SI A l was leavMa and t was taking=clown. And I was driving right by his office, so I figured I would stop in. 40ien Q yol ulthle rs availlin A. No. Q. All right. It WAS -- A. Just that day. Q. It was just happenstance that you were driving by and you said, well, you would drop in to see — A. I decided to stop by. Q. -- what's happening? A. Yeah. Page 483 1 your last deposition, you had a desire at that time 2 or expressed a desire that you might want to become 3 a teacher? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Is that still what you're thinking about 6 doing? 7 A. Yeah. 9 that you had been accepted at to! -- Q. And did you tell us at u de pion 10 A. For my Master's, yes. 11 Q. — the Master's program? Once you're 12 accepted in the program, do you have to enroll 13 within some period of tine of when you get accepted? 14 A. I'm sure. I don't know. 15 Q. All right. Did you — do you intend to 16 pursue the Master's? 17 A. Yeah. think at • 1 was trying to 18 get my CIA at M. So, you have to enroll for your 19 Master's before you could sign up for your GA which is 20 Graduate Assistance Program. And I was waking to hear 21 back to see if I got in kb I didn't. So, I really 22 can't afford to go to Ifs too expensive. I 23 would mther go to 24 Q. But if you — okay. 25 A. So, I'm going to get my Master's. 1 2 3 4 5 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 482 boyfriend also goes to this A. Ite did go there. Q. Okay. You say that's did as in past tense. Does he no longer go there? A. No. Q. When did he stop going? A. I don't ow. A. No. Q. And do you know why he stopped going? A. No. Q. Does he go to somebody else now? A. No. Q. You went to see, I think you said in your last deposition there were times tialswent with your boyfriend and drove to this office with hint is that right? A. Yes. Q. But all the times you went with him were for matters dealing with your boyfriend? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. What, have u — if I recall from Page 484 1 Q. The idea of being that if you got in the 2 Graduate Assistance Program, that they had would in 3 essence pay you? 4 A Yeah. Then I would have pursued going to 5 but since that didn't work out; I didn't get my 6 GA, I decided to take off fora little bit and now I 7 want to pursue it in, my Master's in the fall. 8 Q. Okay. When did you find out you didn't 9 get in the Graduate Assistance Program? 10 A. Well, you're supposed to hear back I think it 11 was like the end of- I don't remember. The end of 12 July, like the last month of July or something or the 13 beginning of August. 14 Certain dates, certain — like whatever 15 you, position you like signed up for, I think it had 16 a different dates of whenever you would hear back or 17 you, yeah, different dates or something like that. 18 So, 1 don't ;mow. I think one was the end of July 19 and the other one was maybe the beginning of August. 20 Q. Of '09? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. And when you — had you applied anyplace 23 else until you heard about whether you were going to 24 get in the graduate program or — 25 A. No. Because I knew if I didn't, that I would 9 (Pages 481 to 484) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins I Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins I 6183eeb3-bSa6.47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723981 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Page 485 try to look for a job fora little bit and play that field out for a while, and then go back for my Master's shortly after somewhere else. Have you applied fora Master's degree at A. No. Q. Is that your intention? A. Yes. then you would get a Master's in what A. Q. Is that contingent upon you getting a graduate assistance there too or no? A. No. F OkayM, you now 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. -- I assume than 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. And the Master's program you understand to 21 be, what, another year of study? 22 A. Yes. 25 can get involved in some • in like a school district, 24 A. I will get it in and then see if I Q. And what are* after that? 23 Page 487 / business and I don't know. 2 Q. Would it be comet to say that you're 3 pursuing whatever it is you've decided you want to 4 pursue in life? 5 A. Yeah. 6 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 7 BY MR. LUTTIER: 8 Q. Ms. -- You don't feel like there's any 9 restrictions that have been placed upon you by what 10 you want to do? 11 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 12 THE WITNESS: What I want to do, no. 13 BY MR. LUTTIER: 14 Q. And if you wanted to go do something else, 15 you would go do it? 16 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 17 Calls for speculation. 18 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 19 BY MR. LUTTIER: 20 Q. Is there any particular reason you had a 21 interest in teaching? 22 A. (Witness shakes head.) 23 Q. You know, friends, relatives, anything 24 like that that were in it or -- 25 A. No. Something that I, that I thought I would Page 486 1 because I want to be a school teacher. But I want to — 2 I just want to have my Master's for myself. I just want 3 it, so. 4 Q. Well, you get paid more in the schools if 5 you have a Master's? 5 A. Yeah. 7 Q. And I think you told us the last time you 8 wanted to teach in the primary grades. 9 A. Yeah. 10 Q. I don't remember if it was kindergarten, 11 fourth grade, something like that? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. Still want you want to do? 14 A. Yeah. 15 Q. How long have you had an interest in 16 teaching? 17 A. When I graduated I wasn't really sure of wh 18 haanted to do. And I know, like, whenever I did M, when I would worked there I did, worked with 20 little kids and I like, I like workine with little kids. 21. And so when I graduat 22 was telling me because she's a teacher and she was 23 telling me about it and I just started like hinting 24 around about it and thought about it and I said, why 25 not. I didn't really know what to do with this 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 488 enjoy doing. Q. Okay. What do you do about these days? 10 (Pages 485 to 488) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183eob3-b5a6-47c4.9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723982 Page 489 Page 491 1 want a big family, small family? 2 Yeah. 4 39 big or small? medium. kills° 5 ell as what these days? 6 don't ow, probably -- l don't know — two 'ca noes w, MIlia: 7 kids.. 8 thaZtit. QQyLliviu W I ,h, Okay. have any habits don't like? 10 11 A. No. Q. There was a w u were — 12 A. Well, actually Sometimes at 13 Q. Okay. How would -- oh, 13 nighttime whenever I am like, sit down. He has got to 14 acterize strike that. Do you and Mr. have any 14 be running around and I am like, what are you doing. 15 intentions to get married? 15 Q. But would it be a fair statement to say 16 A. Yeah, I think so. We talked about it before. 16 that you and he enjoy each other's company? 17 Q. Okay. What's the — is he — 17 A. Yeah. 18 A. Ifs not like I'm a girl and trying to -- 18 Q. You have fun together? 19 Q. Talking about it is one thing. Has he 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 ever fonnally asked you if you want to get married? 20 Q. You like to get up in the morning and look 21 A. No. 21 fen-ward to doing stuff with him? 22 Q. But you have had discussions about that? 22 A. Yeah. 23 A. Yeah. Well, he brought it up to me but I'm 23 Q. Tell me about his business. 24 not like, well, when are you going to do it. 24 111iLlatafattggvjj mean — I don't know. 25 Q. Should he ask you that question at some 25 I . He's, I don't 'mow, busy Page 490 Page 492 1 point in time, would you be inclined to get married? 1 right now, I guess. It's season right now. So, any 2 A. Yeah. 2 business out there right now trying to make it, if they 3 Q. Okay. So, you, this is somebody you think 3 are not making it in season right now then, I don't 4 you have found that is a special person for you? 4 know, it's not good. 5 A. Uh-huh. 5 2a And what's his relationship with. 6 Q. Well, congratulations. 6 like? 7 A. Thanks. 7 A. Good. 8 And he hi --if! remember correctly, 1 8 Q. Are they close in age? read somewhere 9 A. .., ysaLUISdc, yeah. I Q. n 10 Q. obviously lives locally 11 A. Yeah. They -- yeah. 11 somewhere? 12 Q. Okay. And what's the name of the 12 Yeah. No. 13 busineS, 13 14 A. 14 Q. married? 15 Q. Would you be excited about getting 15 A. Yeah. 16 married? 16 Q. Got kids? 17 A. Yeah. 17 A. No. 18 4 Okay. How about kids? Do you third( 18 Q. Do you know his wife? 19 you're -- 19 A. Yeah. 20 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Get along with her? 21 Q. Do you think you're a mom type? 21 A. Yeah. 22 A. Yeah. 22 Q. You met his parents? 23 Q. You would want to have kids? 23 A. Yeah. 24 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Where do they live? 25 Q. You have got elan about — I mean, you 25 A. His mom lives —and his dad Hymn 11 (Pages 489 to 4 92) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183ceb3-b5a6.47c4-9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00723983 cage 49 Page 495 1 2 3 4 5 Q. They are divorced? A. Yes. Q. Not remarried? A. Nape. Q. No. Do you spend time with them? 7 A. Yet 8 Q. Like them? 9 A. Yeah. 10 Q. Has he met your parents? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Okay. He goes up toMM1 tias he 13 gone up their to see them in the trailer park and 14 stuff? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. Okay. They like him? 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. So, everything is kind of lined up right? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. Okay. Do you work for the business too? 21 A. and like when he'll Or like he 24 will ask me to send something and 1 am at home, I will 25 send him something or send him something through e-mail, 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. But like there was like something for 3 Walgreen's management or something like that. I put a 4 resume together and sent it in, but other than that — 5 Q. And what would be the idea that you would 6 just work for them until you got into the — 7 A. Until, until I saved some money up so I can 8 pay for my — save money up so I can start — save my 9 money up so I can start my Master's in the falL 10 Q. Fall meaning? 11 A. This fall corning up in August. August of 12 '010. 13 Q. August of '010. But you're okay with the 14 fact that you're not actively employed at the 15 present time? That's doesn't bother you? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Okay. And you have got a game plan that 18 you're following? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. And you're really Mixt of looking for some 21 kind of hiatus job that would fill the gap between 22 now and when you go to school? 23 A. Yeah 24 Q. Is your physical relationship with 25 acceptable to you? Page 494 but I don't work — lam not out there l 1 2 3 Q. I guess the real question, do you get paid 3 4 a salary? 4 5 A. No. 5 6 Q. Do you have any kind of employment right 6 7 now? 7 8 A. No, not as of right now. 8 9 Q. Okay. When was the last time you were 9 10 employed? 10 11 A. When I thin 11 12 Q. Was 12 13 A. Yeah, 13 14 Q. Okay. So, that was what, '8; 08? 14 15 A. I think. 15 16 Q. Is that when you were living in 16 17 with Jane Doe No. 7? 17 18 A. Yeah. 18 19 Q. Okay. Okay. Are you actively seeking 19 20 employment or— 20 21 A. As of right now, yeah. 21 22 Q. What kind of stuff are you looking for? 22 23 A. Nothing. I mean, anything like on the 23 24 Internet like for employment. Trying to think. 1 24 25 haven't, the last time I did it was like a month also. ,.. 25 -----,—.-- Page 496 A. What do you mean physical? Q. Sexual relationship? A. Yeah. Q. Do you — I think at the last — A. Ifs better than what I would like it. It's not on his part but on my behalf, I'm not, I am never the aggressor. I am not aggressive like I should be. And sometimes I want to, I just don't. I don't know why. I just don't pursue things sometimes. And he always has to pursue me, so it's not on his behalf. It's on my behalf. Q. I think at the last deposition you said, and correct me if I am wrong. I might be wrong. But that you and he were intimate two or three times a week. A. Yeah. Q. Have there been times in the past when you've been intimate with an individual as much as once a day? A. Uh-huh. Q. The level of the degree of intimacy between you and he is okay with you? A. Yeah. Well — Q. He, of course, would want, would want more? 12 (Pages 493 to 496) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83oob3-b5a6-47c4.9336.12081d124641 EFTA00723984 Page 497 1 A. I'm SUM Like there, just, yeah, ifs fine 2 with me. I mean there are sometimes where 1 want it. 1 3 just don't pursue everything, and he always has to be 4 the one to pursue me. So, lam sure be gets --1 don't 5 know. 6 Q. Has he indicated to you that your intimacy 7 level or performance is unacceptable to him? 8 A. No. 9 O. Okay. Since you graduated from - 10 have you undergone any surgery? 1 Q. What's your relatbosh:p -• Page 41' ; Page 498 Page 500 •- 13 (Pages 497 to 500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins 8183oeb3-b5a6-47c4.9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723985 Page 501 Page 503 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Have you — when was the last time you used any kind of, what I am just going to call an illegal drug. And by that I mean the typical sort of recreational stuff you hear, whether it was Xanax, without prescription, Xanax, cocaine, heroin or any of those things. When was the last time you used any of that? A. It would be a long time ago. I don't even remember. Probably — Q. Over a year? A. Yeah. Q. Couple of years? A- Yeah. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. Yeah. Q. Have you had any discussion with him about his deposition? A. No. Q. Not even a little discussion that, lace when you left today that maybe I know your deposition is going to be taken today? A. Like, I, I'm aware that he has a deposition. Like all this deposition stuff, that I have to give a deposition tomorrow, stuff like that. Q. Do you know if he met with anybody about his deposition? A. No. Q. You don't know or he didn't? A. Ho didn't. Q. — what's name? A. Q. And is married? Yes. And does her husband live with her? Page 502 1 Q. Okay. There was a time in your life when 2 you were younger that you used those drugs; is that 3 right? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Is that all something you put behind you 6 now? 7 8 Q. 9 A. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Yeah. Don't use them at all anymore? No. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 e 9 Q. Whether marijuana? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Cocaine? 12 A. No. 13 Q. At one time, at one time did use 14 some cocaine? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Mra 17 A. Uh-huh. 18 Q. Okay. So, drugs is just not part of your 19 life anymore, correct? 20 A. No, not that I — it's something that I, like, 21 in nv experimenting phase in high school that I tried. 22 Nothing that ever really ' m ton t 23 Q. Okay. Now, Mr. deposition is 24 Page 504 Q. Have kids? A. Yeah. Q. How many? Q. Q. A. Q. Do you like babies? Oh-huh. Yes, sorry. Id you describe your relationship scheduled to be taken you ay.:are2f that? 25 Q. Okay. Would you describe your 14 (Pages 501 to 504) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. I Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins - 6183fieb3-b5a6-47c4-9336-1208fd1246(17 EFTA00723986 1 relationship your parents as being close? 2 A. Yeah. Yes. 3 Q. So, at the present time could your 4 relationship with your direct family members be any 5 closer than it is? A. No. Q. And ifs just you fa? 6 7 3 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Have you had any contact with Mr. EIR? A. No. Q. When was the last time you had any contact with hith? A. I don't remember. A long time ago. Q. Did you see a copy of his deposition? A. No. ever e following statement to or or words to this of respect to this individual you visited it We met another Epstein but more weird and perverted? A. No. Q. You don't recall that? A. No. Page 505 I 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 Page 507 Sumner of junior year. That A.11 And then 1 visit there a few times. I think lived there. I visited her a few times, and then whenever Jane Doe No.7 was living up there, would visit h few tine . Q. That's A. Yes. Q. Do you keep contact with A. No. Q. Keep contact with Jane Doe No. 7? A. Yes. mi n° you 'mow, do you know where is? A. No. Q. Any reason why you don't keep contact with her? A. Yeah, she, out of the blue somewhere she like freaked out on me and didn't know where it was coming from. Sounded more like an influence than a — from somebody, somebody else. So, I haven't talked to her since because I am just letting her do her own thing until she figures out what she — Q. I don't understand your answer. A. We were — it was an argument about something Page 506 1 Q. Were you, in addition to being frie 3 2 ate No. 7, are, were you friends with". 4 5 A. What do you mean " "? Q. Or are you friends with 6 A. No. I am not friends with her. 7 Q. Were you at one time? 8 A. Yeah, acquaintances. 9 Q. Did you-all room together at one time? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Were you suppo rm with Jane Doe 12 No. 7 at one time up in 13 A. Yeah. 14 Q. And then Jane Doe No. 7 decided to come 15 here? 16 A. No. I was to room with Jane Doe No. 17 7 when I lived in Her roommate was supposed to 18 mow or it was like a lease thing. And I was going to 19 take over her lease, pay her rent just for the summer. 20 And she decided not to go, so I ended up getting a 21 different place in the same apartment complex. 22 Q. Did there sk . What period of time 23 were you up in 24 A. In the summer of my junior year is when I 25 lived there. Page 508 1 ridiculous that my friend she was trying to — 2 for h hip she was trying to get an interview 3 boYfrilire time. And I didn't tell 4 about it and freaked out and was like, why 5 arc you trying to bring another girl around my 6 boyfriend, which it wasn't like that at all. 7 She just kind of like exploded over 8 something ridiculous and used words to me that a 9 good friend wouldn't So, [just kind of was, like, 10 you know, backed off a little bit and we haven't 11 really spoken since. 12 Q. And when did that happen? 13 A. Probably a good, like, seven months ago. 14 Q. Are you friends with Jane Doe No. 3? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. When was the last time you communicated 17 with her? 18 A. I don't know. It's been a while. 19 Q. Which means six months, more or less? 20 A. Maybe like a month, two months. 21 Q: Okay. And is she still in the area? 22 A. I haven't spoken to her in a while. Maybe. I 23 giess. Last time I talked to her she was. 24. Q. Do you speak with her on the phone or do 25 you see her in person? (561) 832-750.0 15 (Pages 505 to 508) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins 6f83oeb3-b5a6-47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723987 Page 509 1 A. I saw her in person. 2 Q. Where did you see her? 3 A. We went out. 4 Q. You and her or others? 5 A. Me, her, and Jane Doe No. 7. Jane Doe No. 7 6 was in town for the weekend. 7 Q. And where did you-all go? A. Dr. Feelgoods. 9 Q. And this was about a month ago? 10 A. No. This was more than a couple of months 11 ago. 12 Q. Okay. So, you said you thought you saw 13 her about a month ago. Is that a different time? 14 A. No. I think I like communicated with her on 15 her Facebook or something like that like a month ago. 16 Q. Okay. All right. So, how long ago was it 17 that you-all got together in person? 18 A. Like a couple, like several months ago. 19 Q. Sometime in '09? 20 A. It might have been '09, beginning of '010. 1 21 don't know. It's been a while. I don't remember. 22. Q. Did, did you and she go together to Jeff 23 Epstein's on any occasion? 24 A. Yeah. 25 Q. Were you the one that originally took her Page 511 1 A. Not that I can recall. I don't remember what 2 our conversation was. 3 Q. Did she tell you anything about what to 4 expect or what was going to go on? 5 A. No. Like I said, I don't remember our 6 conversation so I don't know. 7 Q. Your best recollection is you believe 8 though on the first occasion that you went with her 9 that she had been there before? 10 A. No. I don't know — 11 Q. Okay. 12 A. —if she had. • 13 Q. Do you know fora fact that you went on at 14 least on one occasion with her? 15 A. No. Yeah. I know that I have gone there with 16 her, yeah. 17 Q. Did you go with her to Mr. Epstein's on 18 more than one occasion? 19 A. Probably. 20 Q. Did you have an estimate of bow many times 21 you went with her? 22 A. I don't — maybe three to five times. I don't 23 know. 24 Q. And was it all a concentrated time frame, 25 or was it over a long period of time? Page 510 1 there? 2 A. I don't think so. I don't remember. 3 Q. There were times that — 4 A. I think the only person I brought was 5 Q. On the occasions that you went there 6 together, did you and she have any discussions of 7 what was, what you were going to do when you got 8 there? 9 A. No, not that I can recall. 10 Q. Did you tell her anything about -- by the 11 time you went -- strike that. 12 When you went with her for the first time 13 to Mr. Epstein's, had she already been there? 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q. Did she indicate to you that she had? 16 A. I don't know. I don't remember whenever the 17 first time we went. I think she brought me there the 18 second time I went. I don't know if she had already 19 gone. I 'mow that I had already been there and I think 20 she knew that I already had been there. So I don't 21 remember what the conversation would have been about. 22 Q. Well, did you — did she ask you anything 23 about what to expect or — 24 A. No. 25 Q. What had — 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 :6 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 512 A. No. I am guessing that's over a long period of time. Q. And what comments, if any, did she make to you about going to Mr. Epstein's if she made any? A. I don't know if she made any. Q. When you guys would go together, would you leave together? A. Yeah, I'm sure. Q. So, if you typically went together, you would go in the same car? A. Yeah. Q. And at that time were one of you driving? A. I'm sure one of us wens. Q. Okay. Did, did she ever make any statements at all to you about what she did with Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Did you tell, ever tell her anything about it? A. No, not that I remember, no. Q. Okay. If you went to, if you went to Mr. Epstein's together with her, did both of you go up and perform massages on.Mr. Epstein together or did just one of you go? A. No, no just one. 16 (Pages 509 to 512 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183oebl-b5a6-47c4-9336.12081d1246d7 EFTA00723988 Page 513 1 Q. Okay. And, and when you went there with 2 her which of you was performing the massage on 3 Mr. Epstein? 4 A. I don't know. Either me or her. 5 Q. Okay. So, it wasn't always — 6 A. I know it was never, never was both of us. 7 So, ifs got to be one or the other. 8 Q. Okay. All right. But it wasn't always if 9 you went with her, she didn't massage and you 10 didn't, or you did the massage and she didn't? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. Sometimes it was one and sometimes it was 13 another? 14 A. Yeah. 15 Q. Okay. Any particular reason why the two 16 of you would go there together? 17 A. No. We were friends. I didn't have a vehicle 18 for a while. That could have been the reason. I don't 19 know. Plus we were friends. 20 Q. Is, is she older than you? 21 A. No, she's younger than me. 22 Q. Okay. So, if you didn't — oh, when you 23 said you didn't have a vehicle, you just meant that 24 you didn't have a car? 25 A. Yeah. 1 Q. identification card? 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. It wasn't a driver's license? 4 A. No. 5 Q. And so, it had her picture? 6 A. And her information. 7 Q. So you, what you really had was her 8 identification card? 9. A. Yeah. 10 Q. And you would use that? 11 A. Where, yeah, certain places, Yeah- 12 Q. Okay. Well, what kind of places would you 13 use it? 14 A. Places that you needed to be 18 to get in. 15 Q. Okay. Do you know whether or not Jane Doe 16 No.3 had a fake ID? 17 A. No, I don't. 18 Q. Did you ever do any drugs with Jane Doe 19 No. 3? 20 A. Not that I — I mean maybe drinking, like when 21 we went out to parties. I don't know. 22 Q. Did you ever know her to do drugs? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Okay. So, you didn't do them with her and 25 you didn't know of any drugs that she did? Page 514 1 Q. You, you had a license to drive though? 2 A. Maybe. I might have. lam sure I would have. 3 Q Okay. 4 A. I !mow I waited a while to get my license, so 5 maybe I didn't. 6 Q. Okay. Well, if you didn't have a license, 7 then she must have had the license, right? 8 A. Yeah. Or maybe I did have a license; I just 9 didn't have a vehicle. I don't know. 10 Q. I think at the last deposition we talked a 11 little bit about a fake ID. Did you have a fake ID 12 at some point? 13 A- Yeah. 14 Q. Do you recall what e it said you were? 15 A. I had ID, ID, which said I was 16 18, or, yeah. 17 Q. And do, do you remember when you got it? 18 A. Probably when I was hanging out with her my 19 senior yew in high school when I met her, junior year. 20 Q. And what kind of ID was it? Was it a fake 21 driver's license? 22 A. No. It was 'rust her. a 'chat of her. It's 23 her, her 24 Q. Okay. So, it was a, just a generic — 25 A. Picture of her. Page 516 1 A. Yeah. Like back then whenever I was 2 experimenting, going through my high school stage in 3 life, I think I maybe smoked pot with her. 4 Q. Do you 'mow — was she a person, did she 5 have boyfriends and et cetera when you were taking 6 her to Mr., or when you went with her to 7 Mr. Epstein's? 8 A. I don't remember. I don't know. 9 Q. Do you know what her reputation was for 10 sexual activity? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Do you know whether or not she was 13 sexually active with people when you took her to 14 Mr. Epstein's? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Do you know whether or not she ever had 17 terminated any pregnancies? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Do you know whether or not she's ever gone 20 to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Did you ever discuss with her any lawsuit 23 that she has? 24 A. No. 25 O. Do You know her, who, who her bo 'ends 17 (Pages 513 to 516) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins fthneet73-1)6a6-47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723989 Page 517 Page 519 7 8 9 10 11 12 ■ 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 were? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Did you and she ever have the same 4 boyfriend? Not at the same time but did you ever 5 date the same guy? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Do you know whether or not she's ever been 8 arrested? 9 A. No. 10 Q. Do you know if she's ever been married? 11 A. Yeah. 12 Q. Okay. And was she married? 13 A. !just heard about it, not through her. I 14 just — I don't know. I don't know anything about it. 15 I just heard that she had been or maybe she is. I don't 16 know. 17 Okay. What was the name of your MEI 18 19 A. 20 Q. Is he still in the area? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Where is he? 23 A. I don't bum. 24 Q. When was the last time you knew where he 25 was? '1111. 1? 1 11:09 a.m. 2 (A brief recess was held.) 3 THE'S/IDEOGRAPH:ER: We're back on the 4 record at 11:17 a.m. 5 BY MR. LUTHER: i her than the trip down to ve you, what other vacations have you 8 taken in the last three •;, I have go 0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 twice with to That's it. Q are them other occasions that you go with titat's been within the last year and a half? A. Yeah. Q. And what, what are those trips typically consist of, weekend trips or — A. Yeah, weekend trips mostly. Q. You got a boat when you go down there? A. Yeah. It's his dad's. We go with his dad and his dad's neighbors, whoever is taking their boat down. And how about, what was it I Page 518 1 A. I head he was moving from 2 was the last I heard whenever he moved from 3 Q. But you didn't know where? 4 A. No. 5 . o where? And who was your 6 at A. Q. I take it it wasn't A. No. Q. Does have a last name? A. Yeah. I am drawing a blank what his name — I it. Q. What's your best shot at pronouncing it? A. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Q. Is—do youknowwher • A. I mean, l am gu Q. But, but he is A. No. Q. Do you know A. No. MR. LUTTIER: Okay. I need to take a quick break. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going offthe record at (5E1) 832-7500 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 21 22 23 24 25 Page 520 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. Long way to go for a football gaze. 3 A. Yap. 4 Q. Some tickets? 5 A. Yeah, MIllgot tickets. 6 Q. By happenstance or is he, is he a season 7 ticket holder for one of those teams? 8 A. No. He Just got tickets for the game. Q. Did you-all go to football games? A. We went to that football game. Q. Go to Dolphin games or anything? A. No. We haven't been to a Dolphin game. Q. It was just kind of a one-tint deal? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And how about — A. ! like the Stealers. Q. You do? A. Wilt When you went toll.... when was that? A. la the stunner. Q. This last summer? A. Yeah. I think we went last summer, yeah. Q. When you say with your family, is that you and ourgarents? 18 (Pages 517 to 520) PROSE COURT. REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins StItt3erib3-b5a6-47c4-9338-1208td1246d7 EFTA00723990 Page 521 1 2 Page 523 A. Yeah. Q. Was there anything different about going 3 to Mr. Epstein's after you were 18 than going to 1 4 Mr. Epstein before you were 18? I V =M 5 6 A. No. MR- MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form Q. Your parents, your dad I think mentioned 7 BY MR. LUTHER: 9 something about you used to go toll. every 8 Q. And you acknowledge certainly that your 9 spring? 9 decision to go to his house after you were 18 was of 10 A. No. 10 your own free will? 11 Q. Did you ever go i 11 A. Yeah. 12 A Oh, yeah it was my junior year in 12 Q. And you went because be was good to you 13 college I went t for spring break. 13 and you enjoyed it? 14 Q. Okay. And did you go with a group of kids 14 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 15 from school? 15 THE WITNESS: Because I had been going 16 A. Yes. 16 there since 1 MS 15 years old. 17 Q. Did you take one of those cruises? 17 BY MR. LUTT1ER: 18 A No. 18 Q. Okay. 19 Q. Was it an organized spring break deal? 19 A. It ldnd of became like a nomml -- 20 A. Yes. 20 Q. But at 18 you're an adult, right? 21 Q. Do you remember what it was called? 21 A. Yeah. But I was going there beforehand, so 22 A. What, was called what? 22 it's kind of like, you know, kept doing the same thing 23 Q. They usually have some name for those 23 that I was doing the day before 1 was 17. 24 things that they put together down there during 24 Q. And I think you told me in the last 25 spring break. 25 deposition that you thought Mr. Epstein treated you Page 522 Page 524 1 A. No. 1 well? 2 you stay — where did you stay in 2 A. Yeah. 3 „l id 3 Q. Do you, do you believe Mr. Epstein ever 4 A. At an all-inclusive hotel. 4 did anything to intentionally harm you in any way? S Q. Okay. It was one of these spring break 5 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to the fonn. And 6 weekend deals? 6 also to the fact that these were questions that 7 A. No, it wasn't like that. It wasn't part of 7 were asked — 8 any pa • ... .. . • ... . I was something that 8 MR. LUTT/ER: I don't think that was. 9 one of her dad organized for 9 MR. NEERMELSIEIN: — repeatedly at the 10 us. So, there was nothing, there is no like an event 10 prior deposition. 11 planner or, just a dad. 11. MR. LUMER: You can go ahead and answer. 12 Q. What kind of willies, entertainment 12 THE WITNESS: What was your question? 13 type stuff do you and = do? 13 BY MR. LUTTIER: 14 A. I don't know. We go out on the boat. We go 14 Q. Do you believe that Mr. Epstein 15 Kayaking. We've been biking. We go hang out with some 15 intentionally did anything to harm you? 16 friends at local bars. Hang out at the house a lot and 16 A. No. 17 have friends over. 17 Q. I want to ask you about the damages that 18 Q. Now, you, you turned 18 sometime I think 18 you claim you've suffered. Would it be a fair 19 right after you graduated from high school? 19 statement to say that the damage that you suffered 20 A. Yes. 20 really is the fact that it came to light that you 21 Q. You had birthday if I remember 21 had been going to Mr. Epstein's? 22 correctly? 22 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to fonn. 23 ' A. Yes. 23 THE WITNESS: Wait. What did you mean 24 Q. So, there was a period of time that you 24 like came to light? 25 continued to go to Mr. Epstein's after you were 18? 25 19 (Pages 521 to 524) PROSE COURT REPORTING. AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183eeb3-b5a6-47c4-9336-1208,d1248d7 EFTA00723991 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 525 BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Well, it became known. People knew that you went there and you were really embarrassed about that fact? A. Yeah. I am sure that's one of many of the reasons. Q. Okay. Other than being embarrassed about it, and the embarrassment was because it became known to others what you did? A. No. Because I am sure some people put two-and-two together but it was not like my name was out there in the paper. So, it's not like oh, Jane Doe No. 4, I 'mow who she is. No. People put the general aspect but I mean at the time that it was going on, my parents didn't know, you know, they didn't know. It wasn't a general of like people finding out. It was just like everything that was going on, the whole situation with the cops coming and like harassing, like coming, not knowing what was going to happen to me, if I was going to go to jail or what was going to — And at the time I was, you know, like when I look back on it, it was really sick, like I was hike on Jeffrey side. I didn't, I was, told Jeffrey Page 527 1 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 2 111E WITNESS: Yeah. 3 BY MR. LUTTTER: 4 Q. And if nobody ever knew about this, you 5 wouldn't have had any of this embarrassment or 6 having people know that the police were coming 7 around talking to you or anything hie that, right. 8 A. Yeahagaill at the same time like if I, 9 like meeting and being in this serious 10 relationship with him, like, how could, you know, 11 would start being lice what am I doing, you know what I 12 mean? Like having, like trying to get hie got to go to 13 college, get into like a serious relationship with 14 somebody I love. And I want to have marriage. I want 15 to have all that. How would 1 still be going to 16 Jeffrey. I wouldn't be going to Jeffrey's still. 17 And looking back I would step ha& from 18 that and be like, what was I doing? Luce looking, 19 looking back on it and be like I was 15 years old. 20 That is sidc. I would look back on the whole 21 situation and it would disturb me. 22 Q. Okay. So, help me to understand this. 23 A. Not just because the cops found out about it 24 and now I went through some emotional thing. 25 Regardless. I would have looked back I would have Page 526 1 about the situation. 2 You know, like, I can't believe like how 3 my mind was so, like, like I feel he like 4 manipulated me and formed me into something that, 5 you Imow,1 look back on it now and I'm just like 6 that's disgusting. And that's why I am emotionally 7 upset is like how I, you know, my parents raised me 8 to be this good person and how I like molded into 9 something. 10 I don't know. It's just, it's disgusting. 1/ ft =Ices me really upset. It makes me get really 12 emotional. And it's not just about people finding 13 out. 14 Q. Your feelings about that are the same for 15 the times that you went to him after you were 18 as 16 they were from the time you went to him before you 17 were 18? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. And you, you — do you agree that you have 20 responsibility for your own actions? 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. Okay. So, you would agree certainly after 23 you were 18 years of age what the consequences were 24 or the consequences that were as a result of the 25 actions you had decided to take? Page 528 1 graduated from college, I would want to build something 2 for myself. So, I wouldn't go there anymore. And when 3 I would stop going there, I would look at it and I would 4 be like that is disgusting and it would emotionally 5 affect me that way. 6 Q. Other than you saying that it upsets you, 7 okay, what, how else have you been damaged, if 8 anything? Maybe that's the only thing, but is there 9 any other damage other than it's emotionally 10 upsetting to you? 11 THE WITNESS: Yeah, like me and my — 12 MR. MERMELSTEDI: Object to the form. 13 THE WITNESS: Emotionally? 14 MIL LUITIER: Let me, let me rephrase my 15 question. 16 THE WITNESS: Wait 17 BY MR. LUTTIER• 18 Q. Other than you saying it's emotionally 19 upsetting to you to look back at what you did, have 20 you suffered any other damage — 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. — as a result of going to Mr. Epstein? 23 If so, what? 24 A. Whenever, I couldn't sleep at night thinking 25 about it. I would have flashbacks about like what (561) 832-7500 20 (Pages 525 to 528) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183eeb3.b5a6-47c4-9336.12081d1246d7 EFTA00723992 Page 529 1 happened. When I saw him in the hallway whenever he 2 showed up for my deposition, seeing his face, giving me 3 a smirk. I couldn't even drive in my car every single 4 time I would see like an old person's face, I would pop. 5 His head would be in my face. 6 I would go out me and my boyfriend got in 7 arguments about it because I couldn't be myself. I 8 would be normal, happy one minute and emotional and 9 sad, depressed the next minute. I had so much built 10 anger inside of me that whenever I would drink, I 11 would like unleash all this built-up anger inside 12 me. A lot of things. 13 Q. Okay. What-- 14 A. You know, !couldn't, like u tat w and I not even including being — MI wondering, oh, are the cops going to come, is the 17 FBI going to come, like having that pressure, like not 18 'mowing, of fear. 19 Q. Okay. Any other ways you have been 20 damaged? 21 A. Yeah. I feel like, you know, like I was 15 22 years old when all that was happeningg. You know, like 23 an old man doing that to like a younger girl, don't you 24 think like her child adolescence, like, kind of lice get 25 ruined, you know. Page 531 1 problems sleeping now or is this something that 2 happened in the past? 3 A. i mean, it was a lot more frequent, frequent 4 whenever everything was happening. But 1 mean in S certain situations, like, yeah, !get stressed out at 6 nighttime and I will, I will have a problem sleeping. 7 Like I can't, I will sit here and like analyze 8 everything. 9 Q. Well -- 10 A. And at nighttime instead of going to sleep, I 11 will just sit there and think. 12 Q. Well, when you typically lay down and go 13 to sleep, do you sleep within an hour? 14 A. No. Normally I used to be able to go to sleep 15 within like, l would put my head down and in 10 minutes 16 then I would be sleeping. 17 Q. Well, how long does it take you now? 18 A. I don't know. Not every single night but 19 every once in a while. 20 Q. What degree — 21 A. Maybe like one or two hours. 22 Q. With what degree of frequency? 23 A. I deal know. Maybe like Nike a month. 24 Q. So, twice a month it will take you an hour 25 or so to get to sleep? Page 530 1 And him giving me that money, like, ifs 2 probably why my parents argued so much when I was 3 young. My parents are sitting here trying to raise 4 me and trying to like put me into a direction, and 5 I'm sitting here getting $300 from this old man. 6 So, to me like my dad is trying to teach me how to 7 like spend my money and how to like be a right 8 person, and I am sitting here, he is like completely 9 demolishing everything that my parents are like 10 teaching me because he, he is giving me money and I 11 am running around, like, not, like an idiot 12 15-year-old person not knowing about, anything about 13 life. 14 Q. Any other way you have been damaged? 15 A. No. I think I pretty much am covering a lot. 16 Q. Okay. Did you incur any what we would 17 call economic damage of any kind? 18 A. What do you mean economic? 19 Q. Loss of dollars? 20 A. No. 21 Q. You paid for a medical expense or 22 something like that? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Let me go back and break this down. First 25 of all said you couldn't sleep. Do you have 1 2 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 532 Q. Okay. Now, you said flashbacks. You said that when you see older people, you see Mr. Epstein's face? A. Like whenever, like right before my deposition or right before my deposition my first time I was supposed to come here. I saw Mr. Epstein in the hallway. Getting into my vehicle and like seeing his face and like giving me that Nazi smirk that he gave me. When i would get in my car and drive, like I didn't even want to look up because I kept visualizing his face. Q. Okay. So, that was one time you saw him? A. Huh? Q. That was one time you saw him here? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. Now, but you also said something 21 (Pages 529 to 532) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC.' 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It happens more frequently when I am in Palm 18 Beach. 19 Q. How often are you in Palm Beach? 20 A. I am M o f t e n lately. I have been 21. hanging out 22 Q. 23 A. 24 Q. If you are up where you live 25 with your boyfriend — Page 535 1 A. Nothing. Like I would get like I didn't 2 even want to, like, lookup. I didn't want to, like, 3 look at anything. I would just want to, like, just like 4 get in my own like little, mind frame I guess, and just 5 • sit there and like, just, like, sit there and think, you 6 know. 7 Q. Were you driving a car when you had this 8 flashback? 9 A. I have, yeah. 10 Q. Well, what do you do when you're driving a 11 car and you have this flashback? 12 A Nothing. I guess I kind of, like, zoom in and 13 focus. 14 Q. Okay. So, you don't have to pull over to 15 the side of the road, for example? 16 A. (Witness shakes head.) 17 Q. All right. Can you better describe to me 18 what, what's ever happened when you had these 19 flashbacks that you say you maybe have four times a 20 year? 21 A. Nothing. I just don't like being out I 22 don't like being, like, in a situation. I just like 23 want to like, if I am out somewhere, like, I will take 24 myself out of the situation, like step outside and maybe 25 like just sit there and like analyze. Maybe I will go Page 534 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. — and you go in the grocery store, let's 3 say you go into Publix and you're going to see all 4 kinds of older men? S A. I am saying somebody that resembles 6 Mr. Epstein not just somebody that has dark black hair 7 that is fat, no, of course that's not going to remind me 8 of Mr. Epstein because Mr. Epstein does not resemble 9 those assets. 10 Q. So, this only happens if you see someone 11 that looks like Mr. Epstein? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. Well, with what degree of frequency does 14 that happen? 15 A. I don't know. I mean, not often, but — 16 Q. Maybe once a year, twice a year? 17 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 18 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I know after, 19 it's probably happened Ince four times a year 20 but I know after that situation after I saw him 21 that whole week I was having like flashbacks of 22 seeing him probably like twice a day. 23 BY MR. LUTHER: 24 Q. Well, what would happen when you had these 25 flashbacks? Page 536 1 to my car and like sit down and just like — 2 Q. And you say — 3 A. — be by myself 4 Q. And you say this happens four times a 5 year? 6 A. No. It's happened, yeah. 7 Q. Now you're -- 8 A. You said analyze or you said give me your best 9 estimate of how many times this happened. I'm just 10 saying It's probably happened like four times. 11 Q. Oh, four times since you last, since '05? 12 A. No, you said estimate. I don't know how many 13 times this happened. I'm just saying like probably four 14 22 Q. Has it ever happened to you when you've 23 been with your boyfriend out? 2 4 A. No. I have gotten paranoid before around him. 25 Q. But you never had one of these flashbacks 22 (Pages 533 to 536) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183ceb3-b5a6.47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723994 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 537 when you were out with your boyfriend? A. No. Q. Have you ever had one when you're out with your parents? A. No. . Have u ever had one when you were out with A. No. Q. Have you ever had one when you were out with anybody else or does it only happen when you've been out alone? A. This happens, like, when Pm out alone, like, when I'm like going to the mall or something like by myself. I don't recall being with anybody when I have had one of these flashbacks, no. Or when I was in my car leaSH: here by myself, I have told I think I told oh, yeah, I have told him, li e, w I felt like after I saw him here. But I've never been with Okay. Other then the incident where you saw Mr. Epstein in this building before your depo, can you tell me the last time you had one of these flashbacks that you've described as occurring maybe four times a year? A. Before my deposition. I don't remember when. Page 539 1 A. Yeah. It's happened one time when I was in 2 Publix. 3 Q. So, you can recall a specific incident? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. All right. I want to talk about that 6 specific incident. Approximately when did it 7 happen? 8 A. I don't remember. 9 Q. The year 2008? 10 A. I don't remember when it happened. 11 g 2009? 12 A. I don't have a date. 13 Q. AU right. What Publix were you in? 14 A. I don't remember. 15 Q. Okay. Do you remember what you were doing 16 in Publix? 17 A. Shopping for food. 18 Q. Okay. So, had you been in Publix for some 19 period of time before this happened? 20 A. I don't, I don't remember how long I was in 21 there or how long I was out of there. I just remember 22 the incident. 23 Q. Okay. Were you, were you looking in one 24 of the aisles in Publix? 25 A. Yeah. Page 538 1 Q. Was it like six months before your depo 2 before you can recall it? 3 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 4 174E WITLESS: Yeah, probably six months. 5 BY MR. LUTTIER: 6 Q. Okay. Describe the incident that 7 happened. 8 A. Like I said I was either in Publix or I mean 9 it's happened more than once. I don't kanevaber in what 10 incident but — 11 Q. Well, when? 12 A. — !was at the mall or I was either in Publix 13 and I thought I saw him and I had to like, like, 'just 14 started getting really emotional. I would glance if I 15 saw him and like when I realized it wasn't him, I would 16 just, I walked around another way and just like 17 analyzed, sat there like for a minute just like being in 18 a situation but not really being there like just, like 19 by myself kind of but, you know, like I am in a room. 20 Like if I saw him, I would walk away and like just, like 21 I don't know how to explain it, lace be there but not 22 really there, just stand there and being like, wow. 23 Q. Are you saying that you recall 24 specifically an incident where one of these 25 flashbacks happened while you were in Publix? Page 540 1 Q. With a grocery cart? 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. Alone? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Okay. All right. And then you saw 6 somebody that you thought looked like Mr. Epstein? 7 A. Yeah. B Q. Okay. And was he walking by or what? 9 A. Yeah, he was walldng by. 10 Q. Okay. And so tell me now what exactly you 11 did. 12 A. I ran around the other aisle. 13 Q. When you say ran, you don't mean you 14 literally ran, do you? 15 A. No. 16 Q. So, you pushed your cart around? 17 A. Yeah, I sped walked. I didn't have a cart. I 18 had one of those little green things. 19 Q. So you walked — 20 A. I like walked around the corner. 21 Q. You walked out of the aisle you were in 22 into the next aisle? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. Okay. What happened next if anything? A. Nothinu. I was like, didn't want to walk into 25 23 (Pages 537 to 540 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. . Electronically signed by cynthia bodkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183ceb3-b5a6-47c4-9336-12081d12460 EFTA00723995 1 2 4 5 6 7 3 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Page 541 that aisle. I was freaking out, like, oh, my gosh, did I really just see him, and I'm like, no. And then I like sat there for a minute and like, like was in my own little, like, world. And then I just got out of there. I couldn't even finish shopping because i was just so lice, just like couldn't even like think of what I wanted to get next. Like I just I had things in my cart and i just left. Q. Did you go checkout? A. Yeah. Q. All right. So, you went and checked out, paid and left? A. Yeah. Q. So, when you walked around and you said you stood there for a minute and gathered your thoughts? A. Yeah, I think like — Q. Did you, did you cry? A. No. I think i was just kind of like in shock. Q. Did anything else physically happen to you? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 543 do it as supposed to you being physically unable to do? A. Yeah, I wasn't — what do you mean? Q. All right. Did you have a list for example of what you needed? A. No. I just had a list in my head. Q. Okay. All right. But nothing prevented you from just kind of walking up and down the aisles and picking up whatever you wanted? A. No. Q. All right. So, when you got in your car, you drove home? A. Yeah. Q. You were able to drive home? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. All right. Now, going in reverse order, so, now we had one time was when you saw Mr. Epstein here. One time was this incident in Publix. When was the time prior to that that you can recall any of this happening? A. At the mall. Q. A. Q. And what, what year are we talking about Page 542 1 Q. All right. So, this whole incident five 2 minutes? 3 A. Probably. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. Ten minutes. 6 Q. When is the going — 7 A. But then afterwards, after I left and not 8 being able to get food that i went there for and not 9 even — Ike being at Publix and after the situation 10 happened, I didn't, couldn't even think of what else to 11 get. Like i was just like, like my mind was just kind 12 of like, like a brain fart. Like I had to get out of 13 there. 14 And then like the whole rido home, i am 15 like sifting there thinking like this is so 16 pathetic, you just left Publix, you didn't even get 17 all the things you needed to get, like, being at 18 like, you know, like, sitting in the dorm or 19 wherever I was at like just being there. 20 Q. Did you try to finish up? Did you walk, 21 • just walk up and down the aisles and look for 22 whatever food you wanted? 23 A. No. I didn't even want to. !just wanted to 24 get out of there. 25 Q. So, it was a matter of you not wanting to • Page 544 1 Dow? 2 A. I don't know. 3 Q. '07? 4 A. Probably I don't know when it was. 5 Probably sometime in '07. I don't know. 6 Q. Okay. So, were you there with anybody? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Okay. You were there but were you in a 9 particular store or just kind of -- 10 A. No, just walking around. 11 Q. Okay. Tell me what happened. 12 A. Nothing. I saw, I thought I saw somebody that 13 looked like him and it wasn't him so I just continued my 14 shopping. 15 Q. All right. So, on that occasion seeing 16 somebody that you thought was him — 17 A. And I realized that it wasn't. 18 Q. Immediately realized it wasn't him? 19 A. Yeah. I thought it was him and then realized 20 it wasn't 21 Q. Okay. So, you just went in and did your 22 stuff that day? 23 A. Yeah. But I felt like afterwards it like made 24 me sit there and think of all the things that went on, 25 you know, like I'm not saying, oh, i just saw Jeffrey 24 (Pages 541 to 544) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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MERMELSTEIN: Form. 18 THE WITNESS: — I've, I've like worked it 19 out with myself. 20 BY MR. LUTHER: 2/ . Well for example, this boyfriend that you 22 had, 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. — he did some pretty bad things to you, 25 didn't he? Page 547 1 alcoholic and that's not something that I want 2 in my life anymore, and that's why I got out of 3 it So, if anything I'm happy that I am not . 4 him anymore and — MR. LUTHER: Okay. So -- 6 THE WITNESS: And I got out. It made me a 7 stronger person being like, wow, you're not 8 with that person anymore and made me, you know, 9 made me wiser with my decisions from then on. 10 BY MR. LUTHER: 11 Q. Okay. a people that you 12 think look nice does it cause you 13 any problem? 14 A. No. 15 Q. All right. So, you're not with Jeffrey 16 Epstein anymore either, are you? 17 A. No. 18 Q. So, tell me what, why, knowing that you're 19 not with Jeffrey Epstein doesn't make you also 20 stronger now? 21 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 22 THE WITNESS: qaajia it's still something 23 that bothers me. Like was something 24 that like I choose, I loved, I met him, I like, 25 wanted to met him. I wanted to get to know Page 546 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 Q. Thinking about those causes you to be 3 upset, doesn't it? 4 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 5 THE WITNESS: Yeah. I look back on It and 6 Fm sure anybody would probably be upset. But 7 I mean, that is something that has happened in 8 the past, and I don't — lam in a good 9 relationship now, and I was in a good 10 relationship afterwards. I mean, I don't look 11 at it igau. :.ati I'm like, °b, nen, I wish I was 2 with He used to be mean to me, no. 13 BY MR. LUTTIER: 14 Q. No. What I am referring to is the man was 15 physically violent towards you? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. He called you vile names? 18 A. Yeah. That's why I got out of that situation. 19 Q. Okay. So, when you think back about those 20 incidences when he was beating you up, when he was 21 spitting on you, when he was calling you vile names, 22 that causes you to be upset too, doesn't it? 23 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 24 THE WITNESS: No, because I am not with 25 him any more and I realize be was just an 2 3 4 6 5 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 548 him, like pursue love. Like Jeffrey was something that like was presented to me and like I felt like he melted me and manipulated me. And being manipulated it still bothers me that, that I allowed that to happen. So, I still get like upset about the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. It's disgusting. It's disturbing. lean% believe what he has done to several girls about it, and he's not gotten a good punishment for it. MR. LUTHER: Well, your, your belief — MR. MERMELSTEIN: Stick to the question that's asked. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Your belief that, about those things and your feelings about that only came about after you filed this lawsuit; isn't that right? A. I don't remember. Q. Well, you didn't have those beliefs before you filed this lawsuit, did you? A. I was, I am sure like sometirnes it crossed my mind, but I don't think I verbally expressed it to anybody. In fact, after you were 18 while you were 25 (Pages 545 to 548) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC.. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183ccb34,536-47c4-9336-12081d1246d7 EFTA00723997 Page 549 1 an adult you had expressed to several people that 2 you didn't think that there was anything wrong with 3 what Mr. Epstein had done? 4 A. Yeah. At that time I didn't. I thought it 5 was — 6 Q Okay. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. -- a normal thing to do. I was going there with all my friends. I even called him up and told him that the police were investigating other girls. Q. And was A. I was Ince on his side. I was,Ididn't know. That's how manipulated and brainwashed I was and now I look beck on it and I think it's like, wow, disgusting. And I regret saying what I said. And ill, if i knew then what I knew now, I would have never said that. Q. Well, you only, you only know now what you know because you met with — A. No. Q. Dr. isn't that right? MR. MERMELSTEiN: Objection to form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. was' Q. Or was A. No. Q. -- front Victim Services? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 551 Jeffrey Epstein ever did to you? MR. MERMBLSTEiN: Objection to form. THE WITNESS: No. MR. LUITTER: Okay. Certainly Mr. Epstein — THE WITNESS: I think it's about even. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. And, and what did to you doesn't affect you at all today, does it? A. No: Q. Okay. Makes you stronger, tight? A. No. It made me, sorry. It made me realize what I didn't want. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't healthy. Q. Okay. You, you -- let's see. We had, we had the incident here. We had Publix. We were going back in time. We had the mall. When was the time prior to that that you ever had one of those flashbacks? A. I'm not sure whenever those time frames were. i don't want you categorizing it that's whenever that happened and then going past. I just know that those situations happened. Q. Okay. I want to know when was the time prior to you in the umll, that incident? Page 550 1 A. No. 2 Q. When did you get this sudden come-over you that what you had done since you were 18 years of 1/2 age and, and your statements about Mr. Epstein suddenly were all wrong and -- A. Well, i always thought it was like really 7 weird that everybody was going over there. But after a 8 while it just kind of became like normal. So, whenever 9 i was hearing about things going on about police 10 investigating girls and stuff like that, I think one 11 girl was 13 years old, I was disturbed about it. 12 Q. Well, you, you don't know anybody that was 13 13 years old? 14 A. No, I heard. 15 Q. That's just a rumor. 16 A. Alter hearing, i wouldn't put it past me 17 because i know there was a lot girls that went there. I 18 was disturbed by it, and that's when I just kind of 19 started looking at things and like playing middle 20 person. 21 tialiog i ree with me that the things 22 that did to you, choking you, 23 grabbing you by the neck, throwing you to the 24 ground, spitting on you, biting you, calling you 25 vile names were much more horrendous than an hing Page 552 1 A. I think whenever we were out one night I was 2 with some, some friends. I don't remember who. 3 Q. What year? 4 A. Huh? 5 Q. What year? 6 A. I don't remember. 7 Q. Where were you when this, this incident 8 happened? 9 A. Iva 10 Q. Were you in college, out of college? 11 A. Yeah, I was in college. 12 Q. Freshman, sophomore? 13 A. I don't remember what year it was. 14 Q. Okay. Tell me what happened. 15 A. No, I was out with friends and I thought that 16 they didn't know about the situation. So, I thought I 17 saw his face and I just kind of, Mce, freaked out and 18 went to the bathroom and then came back out and was 19 hanging out with my friends again. 20 Q. Were you at a bar or club? 21 A. Restaurant. 22 Q. Restaurant. Were you eating or drinking? 23 A. Eating,. 24 Q. Okay. So, you got up and went to the 25 restroom? 26 (Pages 549 to 552) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183oeb3-b5a6-47c4-9336-12081d1246c17 EFTA00723998 Page 553 1 A. Yeah. And then I came back and sat down. 2 Q. Okay. And how long were you gone? 3 A. I don't know. 4 Q. Five minutes? 5 A. Probably like ten minutes. 6 Q. Okay. You cant back and fmished your 7 meal? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Went on with your friends for the rest of 10 the night? 11 A. Yeah 12 Q. Okay. When was the time prior to that 13 that you ever had one of these flashbacks? 14 A. I don't know. Probably just when everything 15 was going down just thinking about it constantly. 16 Q. Well, when you say "when everything was 17 going down," are you talking about when the police 18 were investigating that matter? 19 A. Yeah. 20 Q. All right so, now we're back — 21 A. No, I'm just saying — 22 Q. — in '05?. 23 A. Yeah, but I'm just saying that's one of the 24 times. I mean, I have had a few flashbacks. 25 Q. I am going to ask you about each one. Page 555 1 Q. — specific incident? 2 A. I was depressed. I was emotional. I didn't 3 want to talk to anybody. 4 Q. Okay. I want, I want, I want to focus on 5 a specific incident. 6 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 7 THE WITNESS: Well, I can't give you 8 specific dates because I don't remember 9 specific dates. I am just telling you in 10 general it's happened a few times and I'm just 11 telling you how my emotions felt a few times. 12 I can't sit here and be like, oh, well, this 13 date, this, this, this; no. I am saying in 14 general, I can't — 15 BY MR. LUTHER: 16 Q. Each of these incidents that you have 1 7 described to me would you agree are incidents that 18 lasted fora fairly short period of time? 19 A. No. 20 Q. For example, the restaurant was a 21 free-minute deal? 22 A. Yeah. That was a short period of time 23 Q. Okay. The mall was less than five 24 minutes? 25 A. Probably. But afterwards it still affected me Page 554 1 A. Okay. Are you talking about every single 2 incident? 3 Q. That's what I'm doing. We're going back 4 now. What's the time prior to when you were at this 5 restaurant with your friends? 6 A. What do you mean "prior to"? 7 Q. Well, the one that preceded that? 8 A. Well, there were several occasions from 9 whenever, yeah, the police were involved, and you know, 10 always coming around asking questions. I had a few 11 flashbacks about what went on. 12 Q. Okay. That was in '05, right? 13 A. Yeah, so I mean — 14 Q. And so — 15 A. — there was a few. 16 Q. I am going to — let's talk about them. 17 A. Of not just seeing him out but just having 18 flashbacks of what was going on. 19 Q. While the police were making their 20 investigation? 21 A. No. Like afterwards or beforehand or before 22 they came and interviewed. 23 Q. Okay. Tell me what happened. I want to 24 know about the next -- 25 A. Nothing. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 Page 556 because, yeah, I went on going shopping and stuff like that, but for the rest of the day it affected me because I sat there and had to think about all the things that happened- Q. How did it affect you the rest of the day? A. I would sit theremd think about it. 1 was Just out of it. I was emotional. Like I wasn't — I was depressed. I wasn't happy. Q. Who — .dn't want to talk to an 16 Q. On those occasions when you were out with 17 groups of people, you continued to do whatever 18 activities you were doing with that group for the 19 rest of the night? 20 A. Yeah. I finished eating and then I went home. 21 Q. Okay. Which is what the plan was to begin 22 with, right? 23 A. No the robabl went out. 24 27 (Pages 553 to 556) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6183cob3-b5a6 47c4-9336-12081d124647 EFTA00723999 Page 557 r • 3 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, asked and 4 answered. 5 BY MR. LUITIER: Q. Okay. All right. So, and the only other 7 thing you said was you had, l think you had 8 arguments with your d. Did it cause you arguments with Mr. 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And how many of these arguments did you have with your boyfriend? A. It was just funny that it was around the time frame of everything that was going on with this investigation. Q. So, how many arguments did you -- you've only - you've been -- A. I don't know. It wasn't like I can remember every argument, but I just know we were more argumentative. Q. Okay. So, you're saying it's not a Page 559 1 A. Well, we sat down and talked about -- no, I 2 just - at that time 1 was just really emotional and I 3 was angry and upset, and I would take it out on him. 4 Q. Okay. But that doesn't happen now? 5 A. No. 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. It, it was. Whenever a situation would happen 1, I don't know. I have a close relationship with God. 1,1 go to church and if you read the Bible, I mean, it pretty much tells you that God forgives everybody. Like one of the fallen angles, he used to sin, he used to cheat on his wife, he used to do all this stuff, he used to, used to do all this nasty kind of stuff and the Lord still forgave him and let him come up to, up to the Lord. So, me having sinned and did that, I know that I did that and I have asked the Lord for forgiveness. And I feel like he's forgiven me. And for me, I have, you know, yeah, I was upset at the time but it doesn't — something that I, that I've dealt with. And I have asked the Lord for forgiveness and I feel like he's forgiven me. Page 558 1 specific argument. You're just generally saying you 2 and he were more argumentative? 3 A. I was more depressed about it and 'was more like emotional about the situation then. I mean — whenever we would get in arguments, it was always about 6 me being paranoid because I thought somebody was watching me, or you know, and then I would start drinking and I would get emotionally upset and we would t it. 9 13 Q. Did you tell MI that that's why you 14 were getting upset? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. How many of these arguments did you have? 17 A. I don't blow. Maybe a few. 18 Q. And you've only, what a year and a half 19 you have been going out with him? 20 A. Yeah. 21. Q. So, you've had few in a year and a half. 22 Did you always make up atter your arguments? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. And, and is there something new now that 24 25 has changed and you don't have these arguments? 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21. 22 23 Page 560 Q. You're a religious person? A. Yes. Q. You believe in forgiveness? A. Yes. Q. You believe the Lord forgives people that commit horrendous crimes? A. Yeah. Q. And the Lord also will forgive Jeffrey Epstein, light? MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, form. MR. LUTTIER: Or de you — isn't that right? THE WITNESS: Is he religious? Does he believe in the Lord? BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. You're the ono that has the religious belief, right? A. I think for the people that believe in God, yeah. Q. Okay. So, you're a person that believes in God? A. Yeah. Q. And, and one of the things you believe, you shouldn't judge others? A. cap- yeah, I can't -- what happened, I 28 (Pages 557 to 560) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83oob3-b5a6.47c4-9330-12081d1246d7 EFTA00724000 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 I 24 Q. You also believe that because you are a 25 religious person that it's not your responsibility Page 561 don't know what his beliefs are. So, you know, if he doesn't believe in that, then I don't know — Q. Well, that would be his problem, right? A. Yeah. Q. But I am talking about your- A. It's something that be needs to ask for forgiveness for. Q. Okay. That's his problem. That's not something you have any control over, right? A. So, if something bad were to happen to him — I am saying this is what I forgive, this is bow, this is what I want forgiveness for, for myself. For him, I don't want it. He deserves for'whatever he gives. Q. I want to take this carefully because you have now told me you are a religious person and that you believe the Lord forgives, right? A. Yeah. Q. And it has given you great comfort knowing the Lord forgives — Page 563 1 MR. LUTTIER: Well, wait a minute. 2 THE WITNESS: I don't think he has. 3' .MR. LUTHER: I'm not asking about — 4 THE WITNESS: So, I don't know. 5 BY MR. LU1 6 Q. I am not asking about Mr. Epstein. I'm 7 talking about your ability to gain comfort by saying 8 the Lord forgives people that make mistakes. And 9 you've said that you got that comfort, right? 10 A. Yes. I feel like I have. 11 Q. Okay. And, and you think it would be 12 certainly appropriate if the Lord forgave 13 Mr. Epstein, too? 14 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 15 She's answered that question three times 16 already. 17 MR. LUTHER: I don't think she has. 18 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Very specifically. 19 THE WITNESS: No. 20 MR. MERMELSTEIN: She, she has answered 21 the question. 22 BY MR. LUTHER: 23 Q. So, if I get this right there is a double 24 standard that is you want to apply a different 25 standard in your religious beliefs to Mr. Epstein? 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. So, there is a different standard. 23 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to form. 24 THE WITNESS: Maybe he will. I don't 25 know, I don't what he's asked for forgiveness. Page 562 to judge others, I assume; is that right? A. No, but people do. Q. No. But your religious. Just like you're able to say the Lord has forgiven you with respect to what you have done? A. And, yes, in that certain situation, yes. Q. You need to wait until I finish. Just lace you believe that the Lord forgave you, you believe it's not your position to judge others, right? MR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: No. There, here's been times where. MR. LUTTIER: And so — THE WITNESS: I've had judgment — MR. LIMIER: So, you believe. THE WITNESS: — on others. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. So, you believe the Lord will forgive Mr. Epstein too, don't you? A. No. Page 564 1 A. No, I am not putting a double standard — 2 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. You clearly 3 don't understand what she's saying. 4 THE WITNESS: lam not putting, I'm not 5 putting a double standard on that. I am just 6 saying as myself in the Lord and me having a 7 belief in that, I have asked for, one-on-one 8 for that. Now, what his belief is, I don't 9 know. 30 MR. LUTTIER: Okay. 11 THE WITNESS: I don't think that he has 12 asked for forgiveness, and I don't think, you 13 know, I don't think he should get forgiveness. 14 But if he does get it, then, you know, good for 15 him. That's his, whatever he believes. But 16 honestly I don't think he wants —1 don't even 17 think he cares. 18 BY MR. LUTTIER: 19 Q. Well, you wouldn't even know if he asked 20 for it or if he got it or anything else, would you, 21 right? 22 A. No, I. ivouldn't. 23 Q. So, from your perspective, becaimp you can 24 only be responsible for yourself, right? 25 A. Yeah. 29 (Pages 561 to 564) PROSE COURT REPORTING 'AGENCY, INC. • Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83eob3-b5a6-47c4-9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724001 Page 565 1 Q. Okay. From your perspective, you gained 2 comfort in saying, you know, ! believe in the Lord, 3 and he's forgiven me for whatever I have done? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. And, and you moved on, right? 6 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to Iona 7 THE WITNESS: Ifs helped me move on, yes. 8 BY MR. LUTHER: 9 Q. Okay. So, we have now discussed all the 10 damages that you allege you have suffered as a 11 result of any interaction with Mr. Epstein, correct? 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 14 BY MR. LUTTIER: 15 Q. Did you — what was your answer? 16 A. What did you just say? Sorry. 17 Q. We have now discussed all of the damages 18 that you have alleged you have suffered as a result 19 of your interaction with Mr. Epstein? 20 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Again, form. 21 THE WITNESS: Yes. 22 BY MR. LUTTIER: 23 Q. Wl d. was your best friend in college? 24 A. and Jane Doe No. 7. 25 Q. And was that throughout college? Page 567 1 A. Probably like six, seven months ago, eight 2 months ago. Ifs been a while. I don't even know. It 3 might have even been longer. 4 Q. There is a girjjyhose first name escapes 5 me but lag name of M. Do you know her? 6 A. 7 Q. Yeah. a A. Sam& hpuilkalLissa ,; ut a - 9 Q. Who is (phonetic)? 10 A. Was my college roommate. 11 Q. And what's your relationship with her? 12 A. Friends with her. Acquaintances. I don't 13 talk to her anymore. 14 Q. Is that because of anything in particular 15 or you just -- 16 A. No. We were maiiSnds. We 17 were acquaintances. W and 18 stuff. But now that I graduated and she graduated, we 19 don't — we're not around. . We don't talk anymore. 2 0 Q. Was she your roommate for all four — 21 A. Just average friends. 22 Q. Was she your roommate for all four years? 23 A. Thee, three years. 24 Q. What three years? 25 A. I think. Freshman, sophomore, and junior. Page 566 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. That's la 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. There was a baseball player you dated? 5 A. Yes. 6 isn't coming to me. MIE. 7 laillir eWhere does he live now? 8 A. I don't know. 9 Q. When was the last time you had any contact 10 with him? 11 A. When I saw him for graduation probably. 12 Q. Okay. Your relationship with him was 13 okay? 14 A. Yeah. 15 Q. And you just decided that he wasn't the 16 perfect one for you? 17 A. Yeah. 18 Q. Okay. Was there somebody else that you 19 had a relatio h in college? 20 A. Prior I wasn't in any 21 boyfriend-girlfriend, no. 22 Q. Okay. When was the last time you had 23 any — I think I asked you this. If I (lid I 24 apol i . Your last time you had any communication 25 with • • PROSE Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COURT REPORTING V ea Page 568 Q. illicit did she come from? A. Q. And do you know her parents? A. Yes. Q. And how do you know her parer A. Fle4M Kethey would come to mall', games. Q. Have you had any communication with them? A. Since when? Well, since you graduated from-, from A. No. Q. Who, who do you-all mmvs that you that you are a Plaintiff in one of these lawsuits? A. Do I bow whet Q. Do you know right now there is a pseudonym for you so your name isn't displayed? A. I don't know them Q.Litalthan your friends like lane Doe No. 7 and Iggidoes anybody else know? Have you told any other people you are a Plaintiff in a lawsuit mherihm your parents and your boyfriend? A. Not that I mean maybe Jane Doe No. 3..1 don't think I told her anything. I think maybe she assumes or knows. Q. Have you had discussions Nvith other - • 4Y-•.4.0.L•WelaISISKJ • WEN,m••• 30 (Pages 565 to 568) AGENCY, INC. 6f83oeb3.b5a6-47c4-9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724002 Page 569 Page 571 1. 2 3 4 I 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 People -- A. No. Q. -- that have lawsuits going on? Did there, was there a time that you went up to sic Jane 7 in and you decided to A. I didn't go inside to try. I was hanging out. I wait there for I think my birthday weekend. And I was drinking at the pool all day. And was livin with Jane Doe No. 7 at the time and and asked me to go. And me not being in the right state of mind,1 was like, sure, why not. And she went in at 4:00 in the afternoon. I went with her. And then 1,1 wasn't even there for, I think I did one song. I felt so uncomfortable and I had to leave right away. I was there for maybe 20 minutes at the most. Q. When, when was this? A. I think around my 18th birthday. Q. Before you moved up there? A. Yeah. I was way before — I went there for my birthday. I think I went there to celebrate my birthday weekend. Q. This was while you — 1 when did you it? 2 A. No, I mean was not — 3 Q. Okay. A. I was not — I wasn't tipsy. Q. So, you were underage for being in there, 6 weren't you? 7 A. You only to be 18 to be in there. 8 Q. You had to be 21 to drink though. right? 9 A. I was at the pool drinkin before went. 10 Q. I'm talking abo your 11 recollection? 12 A. I wasn't drinking there. 13 Your recollection is you could be= 14 at 18? 15 A. Apparently, yeah. 16 Q. Do you have a fake ID to show it? 17 A. No. It was around my 18th birthday. 18 Q. Did they, did this establishment ask you 19 for your identification? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. And what did you tell them your age was? 22 A. I gave them my license. 23 Q. Your license reflected — 24 A. Yeah. 25 Q. So, did they interview you or something? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 .0 11 13 14 15 16 17 21 22 23 24 25 Page 570 A. I was there for having fun. Huh? Q. This is before you stopped going to see Jeff Epstein? A. Yeah. and ad kay. So, in '05 sometimiln go up to rune your friend ='? A. Well, lived with Jane Doe No. 7. Q. Okay. And she's working at -- what was the name of this place? A. I don't even know. A. Yes, that's what that's called. Q. And you went here? A. Yes A. No. It was kind of a, it was a bad decision that I made, being going there, having celebrated my birthday all weekend and then drinking at the pool and not being in the right state of mind. Q. Are ou going to tell me you were drunk 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 • A. Yeah. Q A. There was nobody there. It was at 4:00 in the afternoon. Q. Did you -- A. There might have been two people there. Q. Okay. Was that the first time you did that? A. Yeah. Q. First time in your whole life? A. Yeah. Q. Have you ever done it since? A. No. Page 572 A. No. Q. All right. A. They just, was working there so they -- she was just like, :I friend here — youjt A. No. It was clothes. Q. So, you went and put on a costume to begin with? A. Yeah. And then 31 (Pages 569 to 572) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6f83oob3-b5a6-47c4.9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724003 Page 573 Page 575 1 Q. Okay. Now, while ou were u seeing your 2 friend Jane Doe No. 7 and did you stay 3 at the apartment they were in? 4 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Okay. And cident 6 involving you and boyfriend? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Was there — v know an individual by 9 the name of 10 A. No. 11 Q. Do you recall — 12 A. I know, I know that, that name sounds familiar 13 but I don't know. 14 Q. Well, do ac tcall on any occasion when 15 you were up in and you stayed wherever 16 was staying, spent the night. Do you recall that 17 ever happening? 18 A. That never happened. 19 Q. You never wentaSere and spent the 20 night in the same place = was spending the 21 night? 22 A. Probably. I am sure when, in whenever 23 was Jane Doe No. Ts roommate, they had two 24 diffettlia-drooms, you know. I don't, never stayed 25 with =. I stayed at Jane Doe No. 7's. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 testimony? Q. How do you know her depo was taken? A. Because I heard that her deposition was taken. Q. What did you hear about her deposition? A. Nothing. !just heard it was taken. Q. She testified that you spent the night at the apartment that she shared with Jane Doe No. 7, and that she got up in the night to come out and find ou ivin her boyfriend who she defined as oral sex? A. That never happened. She's lying. Q. That's just der_ dated with a don't even know if — never h cad up A. sounds familiar from know if al happened. Q. Are you saying you know who is or — A. No. That name sounds familiar from high school in not in . That just never happened. I've never hooked up with any of her boyfriends, never had her ever walk in on me doing anythini like at. That just never happened. Don't even was ever in That never Page 574 1 Q. I want to breakdown semantics. and 2 Jane Doe No. 7 had an apartment? 3 A. Yeah. 4 Q. Did you ever spend the night in that 5 apartment? 6 A. Yeah. 7 Q. Did you en md the night in that 8 apartment when was also in that apartment? 9 A. Yeah. 10 Q. All right You just weren't in the same 11 bedroom as her, right? 12 A. Yeah. I don't even know if she was home. I 13 think she had a boyfriend. I don't even know if that 14 weekend she was even around, or she even, either or with her boyfriend. I don't even 16 know if she was there because by the time I went to bed, 17 she was never home. 18 Q. Are you aware that deposition's 19 been taken? 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. Are you aware of the substance of her 22 testimony? 23 A. No. 24 Q. How do you know -- 25 A. What do you mean the substance of her 1 Page 576 A. None of it adds, none, from the name to nothing adds u that 5 A. I don't know what it was called. 6 Q. What did your conversation with your 7 parents consist of after the last deposition 8 regarding Specific, that issue. 9 A. Oh, that issue? 10 Q. Yeah. What did you tell them? 11 A. Nothing. I told them a little bit about it 12 beforehand, and then when we were going over on the 13 phone, and they just -- I mean, they were upset of 14 course. I mean, what parent wouldn't be upset. 15 Q. So, this was a conversation that happened 16 over the phone, not face-to-face? 17 A. No. We talked about it afterwards 18 face-to-face when they came into town. 19 Q. So, there were two conversations? 20 A. Sure. I don't know. I'm sure it got brought 21 up. 22 Q. Well, I don't want you to guess. 23 A. I think it got brought up on the phone or 24 maybe we talked face-to-face. 25 Q. So, after your deposition you called them 32 (Pages 573 to 576) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins liltlfleeb3-b536-47c4-9336-1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724004 1 5 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 577 on Di m e Ione to tell them abou' A. Not really right after, but I told them about it, yeah. Q. Okay. How did that conversation go? A. Well, I have an open relationship with my parents and I tell them a lot of things. So that was one thing that I didn't tell them, of course, you know that. And so, whenever I told them, of course they were upset like any parent would be, but at the same time they were just kind of like, you know, I am your parents; I am going to be here for you; have you like, you know, asked me, have you asked God for forgiveness and — • Q. And were there tears during that conversation? A. I don't remember. I'm — I think I was more like frustrated and upset. I don't know. I don't remember. Q. Well, this conversation had to happen since -- A I might have gotten teary-eyed about it Q. Wait a minute. A. I don't know. Q. Wait a minute. Let me finish my question. I a little girl? 2 A. Yeah. 3 Q. So, did it make 4 for auto Okay. it particularly difficult Page 579 6 A. What's that? Well, after I told her, yeah, it 7 was hard but -- 8 Q. It had to be upsetting to you? 9 A. Yeah. Well, it was upsetting but it was 10 something that my mom told me when I was younger when I 11 was 15 years old and starting to sleep around. She told 12 me that things to scare me. I mean, after the situation 13 already happened, what are you going to do? You can't 14 scare me anymore. I'm not IS, you know, 15 years old. 15 So, it kind of, you know, lace, you know this happened. 16 I'm sorry it happened. You know, what are you going to 17 do? The situation already happened. 18 I 'mow she's not going to talk, not talk 19 to me anymore. I think it's something she, it's a 20 scare tactic that she used to -- 21 Q. Okay. 22 A. — probably prevent the situation. 23 Q. And that -- 24 A. And then after it's already happened, what are 25 you going to do? Yeah, I am sure l was upset whenever 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 2,1 25 Page 578 This conversation that you can't remember happened sometime after October 27th of '09, right? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. A. But I'm sure — I mean, the conversation, I'm sure, maybe I did get teary-eyed. I don't. know. I don't remember if I got teary-eyed or the exact conversation that took place. Q. Do you remember whether or not your folks were each on an extension on were you talking to them separately? A. No, a speaker phone. Q. Okay. What did your mother tell you? A. My mom didn't really say anything. My dad said most of everything. Q. Had your mother told you -- A. My dad was like your mom is upset and my mom was just kind of in the background listening to me and my dad, Lice, have conversation. Your mother testified that she had told A. She told me that beforehand, but she didn't tell me in that conversation. Q. Okay. But that is something you heard as 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 17 18 19 20 71 22 23 24 25 Page 580 told her about it, but I mean she told me then and there, I love you, lam going to be here for you, sorry to hear that that happened, I wish I would have known, I wish, you know. And then, you know, it made me and my parents even closer that we had that conversation. Q. And there was -- they came here personally and you saw them? A. No, not for that. They came here for just visiting or something like that and not just to come down and talk to me about that, just come down to visit and — Do ou have an thou: is or concerns that MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, calls for speculation. THE WITNESS: Yeah. I'm sure. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. What are your thoughts about that? A. I haven't thought about it, but I am sure if the situation occurs, thenl will. Q. And what do you think your emotion is going to be at that time? 33 (Pages 577 to 580) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthla hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 61113seb34480-470443364200112Ald7 EFTA00724005 Page 581 1 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 2 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I haven't 3 thought about it. 4 BY MR. LUTHER: 5 Q. Did you ever travel anyplace with Jeffrey 6 Epstein? 7 A. No, but he asked me to. 8 Q. Okay. Did you, were you a person when — 9 A. I wasn't old enough to go. tirimuwere in high school, were you I A. Yeah. Q. Did you, did you communicate with Mr. Epstein on a computer? A. No. MR. LUTITER: Somebody got the time? THE VIDEOGRAPHER: It is 12:11 p.m. MR. List TIER: No. But I mean how much more time do we have to go? THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Five more minutes, sir. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Okay. You had a friend named -- A. Yeah. Q. — that died A Yes. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 583 1 4 Q. Do you recall, with respect to 5 death, how old were you? 6 A. I think I might have been 14, 15. 7 Q. And he was the guy that you had dated for 8 sane period of time, right? 9 A. No. I knew him and he took me out one time. 10 Q. Okay. And then it took you a fair amount, 11 amotmt of time to get over his death, didn't it? 12 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 13 MR. LUTTE31t: Did n take you -- 1.1 THE WITNESS: Maybe it was my freshman 15 year, and then maybe sophomore year whenever 16 his death came out I thought about it. But if 17 you ask me what date he died today, I couldn't 18 tell you. 19 BY MR. WMER: 20 Q. Did you have another really good friend 21. named In that died? 22 A. I was friends with her, acquaintances with 23 her. She was somebody I knew but not gocd, best friends 24 or somebody that I hung out with like every day. 1 knew 25 her through high school. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Page 582 What was your, what was your relationship with M? A. We were good friends. He took me out on a date once. Q. Had you ever been intimate with him? A. No. Q. You gave some answers to interrogatories and you listed four individuals Ili Sexual relations with: =, and A. Yes. Q. Were there, in fact, others with whom you had sexual relations? A. No. Q. Do ou know a fellow by the name of I think it's A. Yeah. Q. And a EIM? A. Yeah. Q. Ever have sex with either of them? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 584 air y t. you know a lady b the name of h A. Nisi= Q. Yeah? A. No. tial ti vi somebody by the name of A. Yeah. Q. And how do you know A. High school. Q. And what kind of relationship did you have with her? A. Just acquaintance, acquaintance, hang out at parties; I guess, high school parties. Q. Did you socialize with her? A. Huh? Q. Did you socialize with her? A. Yeah. Q. Do you know if she ever went to see Mr. Epstein? A. I think she did. Q. And how do you }mow that? A. Because she hung out in a group of friends that I hung out with and pretty much every one of those girls went. 34 (Pages 581 to 584) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY; INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins 6i83eob3-b5a6-47c4.9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724006 Page 585 Page 587 Q. Do you know who took her there? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Do you know how Mien she went? 4 A. No. 5 Q. When was the last time you talked to her? o A. Since high school. 7 Q. Do you remember a Ms. IMP 8 A. No. What did you say the first person's name ) was, 10 Q. Yeah. 11 A. It sounds familiar but I can't — 12 Q. Do you know that person? 13 A. I don't know. I don't think so, but it sounds 14 familiar. Is that the first name? 15 Q. No, last name. 16 A. Oh, no. Like I said, the last name sounds 17 familiar but 1 don't know. 18 Q. Have you ever told your parents everything 19 that occurred when you were at Mr. Epstein's? 20 A. Briefly. 21 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: I am sorry to interpret 22 but now might be a good time to change the 23 tape. 24 ME- LUTITER: Okay. 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 right? 9 A. No, not that I'm aware of. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE WITNESS: Yeah. BY MR. LUTTIVL. O. Mr. the individual that A. Yeah. !guess. Q. Within the first year that you were dating with Mr..., he had used cocaine; is that 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 586 12:15. This is the end of Video Tape One. (A brief recess was held.). THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record at 12:17 p.m. This marks the beginning of Tape Two. BY MR.. LUTTIEFt: Iti you, while were you dating while you were in high school you did cocaine with him; isn't that right? A. Yeah. Q. And you started drinldng when you were about 15? Pro Q. You were smoking pot in high school? A. I wasn't — in high school l tried it once or twice, didn't like it never clid it again. Q. Okay. Mr. ME, our bo riend at the time, was the individual that MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to fonn. 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 Page 588 MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, asked and answered. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. You never felt threatened when you were with Mr. Epstein, did you? 35 (Pages 585 to 588) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins ) 6f83eeb3-b5a647e4-9336.1208fd1246d7 EFTA00724007 Page 589 Page 591 20 m atte] when initially took you, 21 ook you to Jeffrey Epstein's and she told 22 you what was going to happen, did she specifically 23 tell you not to tell him your age? 24 A. Yeah, I think so. 25 Q. And so you dichit tell him your age, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 CERTIFICATE OF OATH THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, the undersigned authority, certify that JANE DOE NO.4 personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 12th day of February, 2010. Dated this 22nd day of February, 2010. 0 6444J.LC: cAisms Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FP Notary Public - State of Florida 15 My Commission Expi 25.2011 My Commission No.: 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2 4 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 2/ 22 23 24 25 Page 590 right? A. Yeah, I didn't. Q. You said, yeah, you did not? A. I didn't tell him my age. Q. Okay. MR. MERMELSTEIN: I think we're out of time. If there is anything pertinent -- MR. LUTTIER: I don't have any other questions. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Nothing further. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 1223 pa This marks the end of the deposition. (Witness excused.) (Deposition was concluded.) 1 CERTIFICATE 2 THE STATE OF FLORIDA 3 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 4 I. Cynthia Hopidm, Registered Professional Reporter, Florida PrefasioratReperter aid Nola", 6 Public in and for the State of Florida at larpt, do hereby co,* that Into sudvxned wand did 7 report said deposition in stenotype, and that the foregoing pages we a Due and cared a:intent:nen 8 of my slxxthassd notes of said deposntect 9 I N:Ikr certify lint said deposition was Sam at the time and puce harcinabon set forth 10 and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and correletcd as Mien:above set out. 11 I fiance certify that I an rot attorneye 12 wand of any of the conies, nor anal a relative or oriployce any aticcncy cc counwi of pub. 13 corrected with Sr action• nor am I finathally imaested in the action 14 The foregoing certification of this transcript 15 does not apply to any repodunion of tit tame by any means unless under the diettet COCIrni andfor 16 • direction of the praying repxter. 11 Dated this 22nd day of Folmar)/ 2010. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 nn n -7 CtittS Hopitire, RPR, Page 592 36 (Pages 589 to 592) PROSE COURT:REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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S DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERB PAGE # LINEN CHANGE REASON 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Please (Award the original signed errata sheet to this office so that copies may be distributed to nil 18 parties. 19 Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I brat read my deposition and that it is true and correct 20 subject to any changes in form or substance entered hat. 21 22 DATE: 23 24 SiGNATUREOP 25 DEPONENT* Page 594 CERTIFICATE 2 3 THE STATE OF FLORIDA 4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 5 I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing 6 deposition by me given, and that the statements 7 contained herein are true and correct to the best of 8 my knowledge and belief; with the exception of any 9 corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, 10 if one was executed. 11 12 Dated this day of 13 2010. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JANE DOE NO. 4 ••••1101:1=5,====.ttta -J 37 (Pages 593 to 595) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 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