EFTA00724739.pdf

nsor & Associates Roponing and Tranvia:la", Inc. 1 (Pages 1 to 4) THE STATE OF FLOFUDA ) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. ) IN RE: Page 1 1 2 3 4 Page 3 Statement taken before Judith E Consor, Court Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at large, in the above cause. - - - JEFFREY EPSTEIN. s Thereupon, SWORN STATEMENT OF 6 7 having been tint duly sworn or affirmed, was examined Friday, March 21, 2008 a and stated es follows: 4:00 p.m. - 4:20 psn. 9 THE WITNESS: I do. 1 o BY MR. GOLDBERGER: It Q. Would you state your name for the record, 12 please. 13 A. Repotted By: i 4 Q. Okay. where do you live now? Judith F. Censor, FPR is A. Address? Notary Public State of Honda 16 Q. Sure. Consor & Associates Reporting and Transcription i 7 A. West Phonet e 18 =. 19 Q. Do you live there alone or do you live with 20 somebody there? 21 A. 22 Q. Very good. And are you nuking now or not 23 working? Sometimes you work and sometimes you don't? 24 A. What I want tO. 25 Q. Okay. And how old are you today? Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 1 A. 2 2 Q. Very good. On behalf of the Defendant: 3 JACK A. GOLDBERGER, ESQ• 3 What mho going to do today is we're going . MIV: ! I: ,• • : ti: Ca; . 'du 4 to take what's knOW11.58 swum Statannin from you. And 4 5 my court reporter just put you under oath. So all I want 6 you to do is tell the absolute truth today. s 7 A. Right 6 a Q. I don't want you to color what you're ALSO PRESENT 9 saying in any way. Really, the only thing that will be 7 LILLY ANN SANCHEZ, ESQ. 10 of any use to anyone is if you just tell the absolute a FOWLER WHITE, ATTORNEYS AT LAW --- i i truth. 9 12 A. Right. 10 13 Q. So those are the instructions, okay? 11 14 A. Okay. 12 13 Q. All right. And sometimes — I've been 13 14 16 doing this fora lot of years and sometimes I talc lie a 15 17 lawyer too much, and if you don't understand what I'm — 16 18 A. Mars your job. 17 19 Q. I guess. But if you don't understand what la 19 2 o I'm saying at some point, ust say, lack say it in 20 2I English," and III make it better for you. Okay? 21 22 A. Okay. 22 23 Q. So tell me how you first met Jeffrey 23 24 24 Epstein. 7S 25 A. introduced me to him. Ph. Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00724739 nsor & Associates Ramming and Transcription, Inc. 2 (Pages 5 to 8) Page 5 Page 7 i Q. And was a friend of yours at the I A. No. 2 time? 2 Q. And she didn't e-mail you about that? 3 A. Yes. 3 A. No. 4 Q. Okay. And tell me a little bit about the 4 Q. She didn't send you a text message Ince you s introduction, how introduced you to Jeffrey. s guys do? 6 A. Well, she told me that I could go over 6 A. No. 7 there and give him a massage — 7 Q. Okay. She just simply saw you in person a Q. Okay. 8 one day and said, 'Do you want to go over to 9 A. — and he'd pay me for it and that he was a s Mr. Epstein's house and do a massage?" i o respectful guy. to A. Yes. i t Q. Okay. So Ids break that down a little it Q. And I take it you said okay and you went 12 bit. i2 over there? 13 She told you you could go over there to 13 A. Yes. i 4 Jeffrey Epstein's house and give a massage? 14 Q. All right Now at the time that you went is A. Right is over there, you were not yet 18, but you were almost is? 16 Q. When she said go give a massage did she 16 A. Yes. I 7 fell you what she meant by that? 17 Q. You were within a couple of months of being 18 A. Just are — no. Just a massage. She didn't i a 18 years old? i 9 really give me any details. 19 A. Yes, 1 do believe so. 20 Q. Okay. Let me ask it to you another way. 20 Q. Okay. And what did tell you about if 21 A. Okay. 21 asked, how old you should tell anyone you were when you 2 2 Q. Was there any suggestion that what you were 22 went (Web) his house? 23 being offered the opportunity to do would be sexual in 23 Was that a bad question? 24 any way? 24 A. Repeat that. 2 5 A. No. 25 Q. Sure. Okay. Page 6 Page 8 i Q. Okay. So as far as you understood it and i Before you went over to Jeffreys house 2 as far as what told you, you would be going over to 2 after you met■ in pason, did she tell you if anyone 3 Mr. Epstein's house and just giving him a normal 3 asked you how old you were, bow old you were supposed to 4 therapeutic massage? a say you were? 5 A. Right s A. Yes 6 Q. Okay. And I assume told you you would 6 Q. What did she tell you? 7 be paid for it? 7 A. Yes. She told me to say that I was 18 if a A. Yes. s it was asked 9 Q. Did she WII you how much you would be 9 Q. She didn't give you a saipt and say as 1 a i i paid? A. Yes. Two hundred. 10 1 i soon as you walk in the house you're supposed to say, "Pm 18,1' right? 12 Q. Okay. When was the first time that you 12 A. No. 13 W8411. to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Was it after you spoke 13 Q. She just said that if anyone eves asked, 14 10M? 14 you should say that you woe 18 years of age. is A. Yes. is A. Right. 16 Q. Okay. And the first time that you went to 16 Q. And I assume if you were asked, you wanted I 7 i a Mr. EpSkilliS house, that was in response to talking to you in person. In other words, she said — 17 is to be convincing that you were over the age of 18, because you wanted to do the work, right? 19 you SOW her SOrtleVdtert, be it at the Store that you worked 19 A. Right. 2 o at or around the neighborhood, she said to you in person, 20 Q. By the way, were you ever asked? 21 "Do you want to go over to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 2i A. Eventually. 22 Right? 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. Uh-huh. 23 A. Not the first day, I don't believe. 24 Q. She didn't call you on the telephone and 24 Q. Okay. Was it Jeffrey or someone else that 25 Offer you the opportunity?. 25 =Iced you whether you were ova the age of 18? Ph. - Fax. EFTA00724740 *Reporting and Transcription, Inc. nsor & Associates Page 9 A. It was probably Jeffrey. I don't remember 2 very clearly. 3 Q. Whoever asked you, though, you clearly said 4 when asked, "Tm 18." A. Uh-huh. 6 Q. And you were very believable in saying that 7 you were over 18? a A. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. Now the first time that you went to 10 Jeffrey's house did you give him a massage that day? it A. Uh-huh. 12 MS. SANCHEZ Answer yes or no so the 13 record is clear. 14 THE WITNESS: Yes. Okay. 15 (Discussion held off the record.) 16 BY MR. GOLDBERGER: 17 Q. Okay. So you go to Jeffrey's house and you 18 meet him and you're going to do a massage that day, 19 right? z 0 A. Yes. 21 Q. Now were you — you were not forced to give 22 a massage, correct? 23 A. No. 24 Q. You were not forced to do anything that you 25 didn't want to do? 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 (Pages 9 to 12) Page 11 Q. The reason you went there is because • 2 .told you in person - 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. that if you wanted to — it was all voluntary on your part — you could go to Jeffrey's house and give him a massage. A. Right Q. Okay. So did tell you what to expect when you went there, as far as keeping your clothes on or taking you clothes off? A. She did say that he may ask me to take my clothes off and that he was very respectful about that and that ifl didn't feel comfortable about it that I didn't have to. Q. All right. A. It was no problem. He wouldn't be upset. Q. All right. So told you there would be no pressure on you whatsoever? A. Right. Q. You simply did what you wanted to do? A. Yes. Q. And if you didn't want to do something. you were free to say, "No. I don't want to do it"? A. Yes. Q. All right And in your experiences with Page 10 1 A. Right. 2 Q. No one coerced you or threatened you in any 3 way? 4 A. No way. Q. No one offeRRI you any drugs to do a 6 massage? 7 A. No. a Q. No one offered you any alcohol to do a 9 message? 1 0 A. No. I Q. And prior to going over to Jeffrey's house 12 the first time there was no e-mail message from him? 13 A. No. 14 Q. In any way? ts A. Noway. 16 Q. There was no text mail message from him? 17 A. No. 18 Q. These was no fax from him? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Okay. And the sane questions: There was 21 no e-mail from anyone that worked foe Jeffrey before you 22 went over there? 23 A. No. 24 Q. No text messages from anybody? is A. No. Page 12 Mr. Epstein, by the way, was there ever a time when that 2 didn't play out, when he tried to force you to do 3 something that you didn't want to do? ♦ A. He never tried to force me to do anything. Q. If you said no to something, whatever that 6 might be, he would respect that? 7 A. Yes. Q. All right. 9 Now the first time that you went Mae do to you remember whether you gave Jeffrey a massage with your clothes on or your clothes off? 12 A At the beginning it was with all my 13 C101/97600. 14 Q. Uh-huh. is A But the most that — I mean I was still in 16 my bra and panties. r Q. Okay. The whole time? 18 A. Yes. i 9 Q. Right. 20 A. I'm pretty sure, was. 21 Q. Did you see during that massage — did he 22 try and touch you in any way during that massage? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Did he use any kind of device on you in any 25 way during that massage? Ph. Fax. EFTA00724741 Snsor & Associates Reponins and Transcription, lie.. 0 4 (Pages 13 to 16) 1 2 3 Page 13 A. No. Q. Do you know — he was wearing a towel through that massage? i 2 3 Page 15 massage or not? A. Yes, it was always that. Q. Okay. And there was never any discussion, 0 A. Yes. 4 "Well, we really want you to come over because we want 5 Q. Do you know whether he touched himself in s you to have sac with Jeffrey,' or anything like that? 6 any way, his penis or anything like that, during the 6 A. Right. No way. 7 massage? 7 Q. Never, ever suggested, right? a A. Yeah, like towards the end. a A. No. 9 Q. Okay. Do you know whether he masturbated? 9 Q. Okay. The only thing that ever occurred on i o A. Oh, my gosh. I o any of these phone calls was, "Are you willing to oome 1 i Q. If you don't know, you don't know. i i over; or, "Would you like to come over and give a I 2 A. I mean probably, but I don't know. I can't i 2 massage? 13 remember exactly. It was so long ago. 13 A. Right. I 4 Q. Okay. There was nothing that you were 14 Q. Okay. And the phone calls from Jeffrey — i s uncomfortable with in this massage? is well, you never spoke to Jeffrey on the phone, right? 16 A. No. Yeah. And like I said, he also, you 16 A. No. I 7 know, reassured if I wasn't comfortable with anything, t 7 Q. Okay. The phone call from or any 18 then just tell him and — i a other assistant would always — it would be sporadic, i 9 Q. He would stop? 19 right? They always said, "Jeffrey's going to be in boom. 20 A. -- that mould be the end of it. 20 Do you want tO COMe Oyer this afternoon at four o'clock? 21 Q. Okay. Now after that first time you met at 21 A. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't — x2 Jeffrey's house, you left And did there come other 22 Q. There was nothing regular about it? 23 times that you went to Jeffrey's house? 23 A. No. 24 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. Other dtan M, who else would have 25 Q. And how would that occur? How would that 25 called you to ask whether you wanted to coat over and Page 14 Page 16 i happen? I give a massage? 2 A. s one of his assistants, would call me 2 A. If it wasn't M , th en I believe =, 3 and ask me ill would like to come over and give a 3 maybe one other person I don't bow the name of. Just - 4 massage, because be would be in town. 4 I Mean it WaS MOStly M. And I spoke to rube s Q. So would it be primarily■ that would s or Mn. 6 call or would there be others? 6 Q. Okay. Now when you would go ova to 7 A. Most of the time. 7 Jeffrey's house after getting a phone call, you would go a Q. And would it be a message that would be a and you'd go to give him a massage, right? 9 kft for you or would it be you would talk to• or one 9 A. Yes 10 of the other as assistants directly? to Q. And occasionally would there be more than a 1 i A. I mean generally it would be directly. 11 massage that occurred? 12 Q. Okay. 12 A. It happened a few times. 13 A. Unless I didn't answer my phone. 13 Q. Okay. And the few times that it happened, 14 Q. And if I thirdcl understand what you're la though, it was very spaadie and it was nothing that stn I s saying, you would talk to • or another assistant and 15 planned? 16 they would say, "Listen, Jeffreys going to be in town. 16 A. No way. I 7 Would you like to come OW and give a oiassage?" Right? 12 Q. It just occurred? 18 A. Yes. i 8 A. Right. 19 Q. Was there ever any suggestion in any of 19 Q. SO it wasn't lace there was a phone call, 20 those phone Cans where you made arrangements to go to 20 you know, "Today we want you to come over and do more 21 Jeffreys house that there would be anything sexual that 21 than just a massage with Jeffrey"? 22 WOW 001I/ at the house? 22 A. Right. 23 A. No. 23 Q. When anything more occurred you'd be over 24 Q. Was it always if there was a phone call, 24 there and it would be totally voluntary on your part? 25 that this was whether you wanted to come and give a 2 s A. Yes; definitely consensual. Ph. Fax. EFTA00724742 0 O 0 •T• nsor & Associates Reporting and Transcription, . . ... .. . 5 (Pages 17 to 20) 1 Page 17 Q. Okay. Now when we're talking about more 1 Page 19 to make was that there were never phone calls that would z than just a massage, what sort of conduct are we talking 2 come to you and they would say, "DO you want to come ova 3 about that might have occurred? 3 and give a massage,' and you just assumed it would be lo 4 A. It was probably mostly — maybe not, not 4 go have sex? That was not the case? s particularly oral, but, I mean that's just random s A. No. 6 things, but not sex 6 Q. Never, never, never, right? 7 Q. Okay. So let's put it into perspective. 7 A. Yes. a You certainly never had intercourse with him, right? a Q. All right There were times when you would 9 A. No. 9 be away and not be in Palm Beach and —1mean you very In Q. And did you actually ever really have oral I o much thought that Jeffrey was your friend? You treated I I sex with him? 11 him as a fiiend? 12 A. Maybe once or twice. I barely even 12 A. Yes, definitely. I felt that he was my 13 remember that. )3 friend. 14 Q. Okay. I 4 Q. And there were times when maybe you were I 5 A. I mean it was all just mostly — I 5 out of town and for whatever reason, you found yourself 16 Q. I'm sorry. Mostly what? 16 in a situation where you needed some money, correct? 17 A. Mostly like hand oriented. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Okay. So on occasion you would touch his I a Q. Okay. And you felt that the relationship I 9 penis with your hand? 19 was such that you could call Jeffrey and it never had 20 A. It's happened a few times. z o anything to do with a massage or anything You would 21 Q. Okay. And anytime that occurred it would 21 say, 'Listen, l could use a couple of dollars. I have a 22 be totally voluntary on your part? 22 problem." 23 A. Yes. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Consensual on your part? 24 Q. And would he ever hesitate to help you out? 25 A. Yes. He would never make me do anything. 25 A. No. Page 18 Page 20 I Q. And it would just be totally random and it 1 Q. And in fact, did he not tell you that, 2 would occur during the moment? 2 listen — he would talk to you about life and about -- 3 A. Uh-huh. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Okay. There was nothing that was planned 4 Q. — about what you wanted to do with your s in advance concerning that? 5 life? 6 A. No. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And it didn't become every time you went 7 Q. And he said, "If you ever find yourself in s over there that would happen, right?' a trouble, you have a friend in me and you can give me a 9 A. Yeah. No. 9 call"? to Q. No. no. I mean just you would go over and to A. Yes. I I give a massage one day and the phone call would be the t 1 Q. Okay. If you had to guess — and I 2 same, "Do you want to come ova and give a massage," and 12 recognizing that there can be no accuracy here — if you 13 maybe — 13 had to guess, how many times do you think you wan over 14 A. Yes. 14 to Jeffreys house? is Q. — maybe another time you would get a phone 15 A. Invalid say at least five, less than tat. 16 call, "Do you want co come over and give a massage." and 16 Q. Okay. I think that's kind of a fair range. 17 just because of the day it was or whatever was going on, I 7 And during those five to ten times that you I a it may have gone a little further where they may have 1 8 went there, was there ever anything uncomfortable, in I 9 been some touching, Correa? 19 your mind, that occurred MCI at Jeffrey's house? 20 A. Right. 20 A. No. 21 Q. And then the next time you could go ova 21 Q. Okay. I know we've touched on this, but 22 there and it could have been a regular massage again, 2 2 just filly, the detail person, makes sure that we get 23 right? 23 everything. After you met Jeffrey the Lust time did you 24 A. Uh-bult. 24 ever talk to hint on the telephone about arranging a 25 Q. Okay. So the point that I guess I'm trying 25 massage or anything like that? EFTA00724743 0 0 nsor & Associates Reporting and Transcription, Inc. 6 (Pages 21 to 24) 1 2 3 Page 21 A. No. Q. Okay. And you never e-mailed him or anything like that? t 2 3 Page 23 Q. Okay. 1 assume, based on what you're telling me, Jeffrey didn't know at the time that it was your 18th birthday. He must have - 4 A. No, no. 4 A. No. It was kind of like — it was my 19th s Q. Never text-messaged him? s birthday. 6 A. No. 6 Q. Okay. And you made it pretty clear to him 7 Q. Okay. Now at times when you would go over 7 that it was your 19th birthday and not your 18th 8 to give a massage, Jeffrey, while he was getting the a birthday? 9 massage, would be preoccupied doing a lot of things, 9 A. Yeah. I tried not to like even touch upon 1 0 right? 1 o that i i A. Yes, very often. 1 t Q. But I know you didn't try and touch upon 12 Q. He was a busy guy? t2 it - 13 A. Yes. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. He would be on the telephone tenting to 14 Q. — but was it clear to him, based on what 15 folks while you were giving a massage? 1 5 you know, that he thought it was your 19th birthday? 16 A. Yes. Sometimes it would be just a massage 16 A. Yes. 17 and he'd be pretty much doing business the whole time. I 7 Q. Okay. Great i a Q. Right. Certainly it wasn't sex or anything t 8 Here's the lawyer talking now. I 9 like that? i 9 I didn't try to influence you in any way to 20 A. No. 2 o say anything, did I? 21 Q. He would be doing business and you'd be 21 A. No. 22 massaging him? 22 Q. In fact, all I asked you to do is tell me 23 A. Yes. 23 the absolute truth here today? 24 Q. Okay. Give me one seconcL 24 A. Yes. 25 (Discussion held off the record.) 25 Q. And that's what you've done? Page 22 Page 24 i BY MR. GOLDBERGER: t A. Yes. 2 Q. Every time you went back to Jeffrey's house 2 Q. Okay. And you've understood all my 3 you went back there because you wanted to, right? . 3 questions, have you? 4 A. Uhthuh, yes. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. No one — certainly Mr. Epstein never tried s MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. I thank you very 6 to persuade you or induce you or entice you or coerce you 6 much for coming in today and it really made it 7 to engage in any !rind of sex? 7 much easier for us to do it this way. So thanks a a A. No. a la 9 Q. And no one representing Jeffrey Epstein 9 (Thereupon, the sworn statement was to ever tried to persuade or induce you to engage in sex? to concluded at 4:20 pa) 11 A. No. it - - - 12 Q. All right. And I think you told me when we 12 13 tint started tilting that you were very, very close to 13 14 your 18th birthday, and when traced you in fact said you 14 15 were 18 and tried to be very, very convincing of that. i s 1 6 A. Yeah. I didn't mean that — all' said was 16 17 I was 18. 17 18 Q. Okay. i 11 19 A. Lilco there was no ifs, ands or buts about 19 20 that. 20 21 Q. There was a time when there was a concert 21 22 or a show down in Fort Lauderdale and Jeffrey got you 2 2 23 ticket to go to that show because it was your birthday, 23 24 right? 24 25 A. Correct. 25 . EFTA00724744