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Case 1:15-cv-Agted? Bian dm GonettRe porting fe Wineos/Erc.Page 39 of 89 Page 145 Page 147 1 A Nowhere near as powerful as Jeffrey and 1 of all the girls that were sent to Jeffrey and 2 Ghislaine, nowhere near. But people that did scare 2 Ghislaine. That is my answer. 3 me, yes. 3 Q_ (BY MS. MENNINGER) I did not ask you 4 Q_ Okay. And you had met those people at 4 about the girls who were sent to Jeffrey and 5 what age? 5 Ghislaine. I asked you about any girl that you 6 A I don't know what age I was. I'm sorry. 6 personally saw have sexual contact with Ghislaine 7 Iwas young. I was -- before I met Jeffrey and 7 Maxwell. 8 Ghislaine. 8 Do you understand that question? 9 Q Is there any girl who you personally 9 A DoI know the ages of them? 10 observed to have sexual contact with Ghislaine 10 Q___Do you know the age of any girl that you 11 Maxwell when she was under the age of 18? 11 saw have sexual contact with Ghislaine Maxwell? 12 A It's very hard to tell how many girls were 12 A Well, for instance, I mean, Sarah Kellen 13 under the age of 18. My instruction from them was 13. was, I think, a year older than me. That's one way 14 the younger the better. 14 of putting it. Emmy, I think was like a few years 15 Q_ And, again, them, who told you that? 15 older than me. | again, a few years older 16 A Them, both of them. They both -- 16 than me. I mean, those are the girls that I can 17 Ghislaine did the majority of my training in the 17 actually name. 18 beginning. Jeffrey also insinuated and told me lots 18 Without, not knowing the other girls’ 19 of things as well. 19 names, there's no way for me to identify what age 20 Q_ Okay. So you don't know the age of any 20 they actually were. 21 other female that you saw have sexual contact with | 21 Q_ Okay. Describe for me any other girl 22 Ghislaine Maxwell -- 22 other than the ones that you've named who you say you 23 MR. EDWARDS: Object -- 23 saw have sexual contact with Ghislaine Maxwell with 24 Q_ (BY MS. MENNINGER) -- is that true? 24 your own two eyes. 25 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form of the 25 A There's so many I don't know where you Page 146 Page 148 1 question. Mischaracterized her testimony. She 1 want me to start. I find it impossible to answer 2 wasn't finished with her answer. 2 that question with the amount of girls that I have 3 MS. MENNINGER: I wasn't finished with my 3. witnessed. And without being able to give you 4 question when you objected. And at the end of my 4 specific names, I don't think I'm able to answer that 5 question I said, "Is that true?" She can now restate 5 question. 6 it without you suggesting to her the answer. 6 Q_ Okay. I asked you to describe them, so 7 MR. EDWARDS: I have no idea what the 7 you could give me a height, a hair color, anything 8 question is to even object to at this point. 8 else that comes to mind? 9 Do you know the question? 9 A There were blondes, there were brunettes, 10 A DoI know any underage girls that 10 there were redheads. They were all beautiful girls. 11 Ghislaine slept with. 11 I would say the ages ranged between 15 and 21. 12 MS. MENNINGER: Can you please read back 12 Q_ And why do you believe the ages ranged 13 the question? 13. from 15 to 21? 14 (Record read as requested.) 14 A Some of them looked really young. Some of 15 MR. EDWARDS: Hold on. She wasn't 15 them, I wouldn't say 21 looks old or anything like 16 finished with her question, she told me. So that's 16 that, but it's hard to gauge another person's age 17 not the finished question. 17. without really asking them. But some of them looked 18 MS. MENNINGER: You interrupted it. I 18 younger than me and some of them looked older than 19 finished my question. She just read it to her. 19 me. 20 Q. (BY MS. MENNINGER) Can you please answer | 20 Q_ And in what physical locations did you see 21 ~~ +the question? 21 Ghislaine Maxwell have sexual contact with any girl? 22 MR. EDWARDS: Then I object to that 22 A 100 percent, the U.S. V.1. 23 question as a mischaracterization of her testimony. 23 Q Where? 24 ~~ And she wasn't finished with her answer. 24 A _ Jeffrey's island. 25 A __ Itis impossible for me to know the ages 25 Q Where? VIRGINIA GIUFFRE 5/3/2016 37 (145 - 148)