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Case 1:15-cv-Agted? Bian dm GonettReporsin g fe Wineop/Enc.Page 38 of 89 Page 141 Page 143 1 A I don't believe that any of the girls 1 Mischaracterizes her testimony. 2 involved were truly willing participants doing it out 2 You can answer. 3 of their own wanting. I believe we were all there 3 A You wouldn't want to piss us off. You 4 for one purpose, and that was to keep Jeffrey and 4 wouldn't want to piss me and Jeffrey off. I mean 5 Ghislaine happy and to do our jobs, which was giving 5 that's one way of saying it. Other than -- 6 them erotic massages and keeping them pleased 6 Q_ (BY MS. MENNINGER) Did she say, I don't 7 sexually. 7 want -- you would not want to piss me off? 8 Q. (BY MS. MENNINGER) Okay. Do you know 8 A __ Piss me off is probably my word, using 9 what the word force means, physical force? 9 piss, but it was along those lines. I don't remember 10 A __ If you mean like held down or a gun put to 10 the exact word that she used. 11 ‘the head, then no. 11 Q_ And do you remember a specific occasion on 12 Q_ Okay. 12 which she said that to you? 13 A _ But force in a word -- like a way of 13 A I remember very early on. 14 coercion. There was definitely indirect threats that 14 Q Where were you? 15 you knew these people were powerful. They had a lot 15 A I believe it was during my, what I call 16 of contacts. They were very wealthy. They were 16 the training period with Jeffrey and Ghislaine. 17 people you did not want to cross lines with on a bad 17 Q_ Okay. And where were you? 18 way. 18 A Fora specific -- and like I said, it 19 Q_ Okay. What threats did you hear Ghislaine 19 happened a lot. But for one specific, I remember 20 Maxwell state to you? 20 being out on the balcony in the house at El Brillo, 21 A Just the reminders of the prominent people 21 sitting outside with her. This is when I thought 22 that she knows personally. 22 that -- I didn't know that I worked for Jeffrey 23 Q_ When did Ghislaine Maxwell remind you 23 immediately. I thought I worked for Ghislaine 24 about the prominent people that she knows personally? | 24 because she was the one who brought me in. And she 25 A It was on a constant basis. I mean, there 25 was the one offering the majority of the training to Page 142 Page 144 1 was no just one time that she said it. It was like a 1 me. 2 reminder, you know. And Jeffrey did a lot more of 2 So, yeah, it was on the balcony, outside, 3 that than she did. But she definitely made it aware 3 I believe the yellow room. 4 that we shouldn't cross boundaries with them. 4 Q__ She said, You would not want to piss me 5 Qs Or what would happen? 5 off because I know powerful people, or words to that 6 A Like I said, it was more of an indirect 6 effect? 7 threat. And it doesn't take an intellect to figure 7 A Words to that effect, yes. 8 out what they mean when they say that they're 8 Q__ And did she say what would happen if you 9 powerful people and they're very wealthy and they 9 pissed her off because she knows powerful people? 10 know a lot of people. 10 A That statement alone was enough to let me 11 QI need you to be very clear. You just 11 know. I was scared and I didn't want to -- I didn't 12 used the word "they." I've asked you about Ghislaine | 12 want to push any further into that question. I 13 Maxwell. 13 seemed like I would obey. 14 A Okay. 14 Q_ sUp until that point in your life, had you 15 Q. SoI just want to make sure you understand 15 met any powerful people? 16 the question. 16 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 17 A Correct. 17 A Ido believe that I've been put in very 18 Q Because I don't want to have you, you 18 dangerous situations, being a runaway and having a 19 know, misunderstand the question. 19 lot of bad things happen to me. Understanding the 20 A Correct. 20 word powerful people and things that could happen, 21 Q_ SoI'm asking you, what did Ghislaine 21 I've put two and two together and knew what she 22 Maxwell say would happen in regards to crossing a 22 meant. 23 line with respect to her knowledge of famous people? | 23 Q. (BY MS. MENNINGER) Okay. So you had met 24 A Ina-- 24 powerful people before the day that Ghislaine Maxwell 25 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 25 said this to you; is that your testimony? VIRGINIA GIUFFRE 5/3/2016 36 (141 - 144)