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WON DUMAWNE Page 174 Q. Okay. Ever since this communication that Ms. Maxwell made to you where she called you sometime in May or June of 2005, and have you felt threatened? A. Yes. MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you felt reluctant to come forward and give truthful, honest, and full disclosure of all information that you know about this case? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I said this off the record but I will say it on the record, being in the Epstein case for me resulted in two years I have -- I won't bring the names but I was in the third interview to get hired as a household manager in Palm Beach and they told me you are the Jeffrey Epstein guy. Not in the sense I did something wrong because of the scandal, so they shun the job away from me. And so I was afraid that -- this is very powerful people and one phone call and you finish, so I'm the little guy. Even I'm wearing a tie I'm a -- I'm talking Page 175 from my heart. This is the way it is. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I feel for you, I'm sorry that you have to be in this position. MR. CRITTON: Move to strike this. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Well, when you applied for these jobs and they turned you down and gave you the reason that you're the person involved in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, was it that they are associated or friends with Jeffrey Epstein or is it that you have information and you have this confidentiality but you're revealing some certain information that Mr. Epstein would not like? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Both. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Both? A. Both. Q. And since then given what you just told us about these people being very powerful, are you afraid for your life given the fact that you're involved to some extent in this case? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I just start thinking about WOMONDMAWNHE this. Because I went through -- the first time I went to the deposition I was in Palm Beach and I did my duty, I mean, I tell what I know, but now I know there is more digging, all I want is this to be to get on with my normal life and stuff. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So when you come here today to testify, your main objective is to get back to your normal life and get out of the spotlight of this case. Yes? A. Yes. Q. And in doing so have you held back some of the details that you know about that happened in this case to remove yourself from the spotlight? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No, sir. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Have you ever talked to Ghislaine Maxwell after that telephone call where she called you and you felt threatened? A. No. Q. Okay. So going back to where we started here was, does Ghislaine Maxwell have knowledge of Page 177 the girls that would come over to Jeffrey Epstein's house that are in roughly the same age group as C. and T. and to have a good time as you put it? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And what was her involvement and/or knowledge about that? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: She knew what was going on. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You referred to her at one point in time as Jeffrey Epstein's companion. But then later on you said that if she flew she flew on a different airplane and oftentimes or sometimes she slept in a different bed from Mr. Epstein. Did that seem unusual to you? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: It was odd but, I mean, and again, everything is odd in Palm Beach. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay, I don't mean to laugh. A. Mr. Epstein fly to Jet Aviation, she fly to Galaxy Aviation, but they never flew the same 45 (Pages 174 to 177) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141