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WON DUMAWNE Page 170 Q. Is this the cell phone that was issued to you by Mr. Epstein? A. No, it was my personal phone. I was already -- Gone? Yeah, this is three, four months down the So if you left in -- February, March -- it was May or June. Of 2005? Yes. . And you got a call from Ghislaine Maxwell out of the blue? A. Yes. Q. And do you know what prompted that telephone call? A. Because I contact somebody in New York to get a job. Q. Who was that person? A. I contact Jean-Luc and I contact Eva, the Swedish girl, she used to be very good friends with Mr. Epstein because she asked me she need somebody in New York. Q. What does Eva do? A. Eva was a model many years ago and he Page 171 married -- Eva is the mother of the girl who was on the wall. Q. Who is on the wall of Mr. Epstein's house? A. Yeah. Q. Allright. There is a younger girl model that's on the wall of Mr. Epstein's house and this lady Eva is her mother? A. Yes. Q. And at some point in time you called her in New York to get a job? A. That's right. Q. And you also called Jean-Luc Bernell? That's his name. Right? A. Jean-Luc, yeah, I don't remember his last name. Q. Does that sound familiar to you, Jean-Luc Bernell? A. Yeah. Q. What did Eva and/or Jean-Luc say about employing you? A. No, they said they're going to find out and obviously the first thing they did was talk to Mrs. Maxwell. Q. She made a telephone call to you and what WOMAN DOAWNE precisely did she say? A. She said I forbid you that you're going to be -- that I will be sorry if I contact any of her friends again. Q. Okay. Other than you will be sorry if you contact any of my friends again did she say anything else about what you know about Mr. Epstein and/or what goes on at his house? A. She said something like don't open your mouth or something like that. But you have to understand, I'm a civil humble, I came as an immigrant to service people, and right now you feel a little -- I'm 55 and I'm afraid. First of all, I don't have a job, but I'm glad this is on tape because I don't want nothing to happen to me. This is the way they treat you, better do this and you shut up and don't talk to nobody and -- Q. When you say this is the way they treat, who specifically are you talking about when you say the word they? A. Maxwell. Q. And usually when you say the word they, you're not only talking about one person -- A. Wealthy people. Q. Are you also putting Jeffrey Epstein in that category? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I didn't talk to him directly most of the time. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What's the reason why if you were his head of security that you wouldn't have more direct contact with him? Why is that? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: He wanted that way, you know, so, yeah, I have to talk to Sarah, Sarah is not available talk to Lesley in New York. He didn't want to be disturbed. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Even while you were in the same house with him he still had other people you could talk to directly but he was not one of them? A. Yeah. Q. When you were fired you were not fired directly by him? A. No. Q. It was through somebody else? A. Ms. Maxwell. Q. Okay. But it was for upsetting him for taking the wrong car? 44 (Pages 170 to 173) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141