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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1331-15 Filed 01/05/24 Page 18 of 27 WOONOAUDAWNHH Page 383 you about having driven J and you recalled having had her in the Suburban specifically, A. Yes. Q. Do you remember any of the other girls, women who came to give massages ever having driven them, or is [J the only one that you remember? MR. EDWARDS; Form. THE WITNESS: T only remember [Jj right now for the fact that I was driving by the airport and I showed her Mr. Epstein's plane. BY MR. CRITTON: Q, All right. Which really takes me back to really where I started with this series of questions. You saw the girls, the women who came in to give the massages, when they came in if you were advised or if you heard conversation and you saw them you would see them when they left? A. Yes, Q. And you saw [J because she was in the Suburban on at least one occasion? A. Yes. Q. And, therefore, you never saw these girls, these women who gave the massaggs in the Page 384 dining room or the library. Would that be a fair statement? A. That's correct, MR. EDWARDS: Form. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Allright. So, therefore, the pictures that you saw Sarah Kellen taking of girls, women, either in the dining room or library, those were other individuals other than those who may have given or who came for massages, Is that correct? MS, EZELL: Form, MR, EDWARDS: Form, THE WITNESS: It's confusing, sir, because there were a bunch of girls. I don't know which one they were but I saw her taking pictures of the groups, Q. As to whether they were people who came in on the planes or there may have been a massage girl or more than one woman who gave a massage, you just don't know as you sit here, you'd just be speculating, Is that correct? MR. EDWARDS: Form. THE WITNESS; I don't know, BY MR. CRITTON: OOnNOTWMDWNe Page 385 Q. Allright. Ms. Ezell asked you about Mr. Dershowitz being present in Mr. Epstein's home, and J think she asked -- and I think that you said Mr. Epstein was a -- and he and Mr, Dershowitz were friends? A. Yes. Q. She also I think asked was Mr. Dershowitz ever there when one of the women who gave a massage was present in the home? A, Idon't remember that. Q. That's what I want to clear up. Is it your testimony that Mr. Dershowitz was there when any of the women came to Mr, Epstein's home to give a massage? A. Yes. MR. EDWARDS: Form. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. As to whether any of those women were ever associated with Mr, Dershowitz would it be a correct statement that you have absolutely no knowledge? A. I don’t know, sir. Q. You don't know? A, Idon't know, sir. MS. EZELL: Form. BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Okay. Were you in any way attempting in your response to Ms. Ezell to imply that Mr. Dershowitz had a massage by one of these young ladies? A. I don't know, sir. Q. You have no knowledge? A. No, sir. Q. And you certainly weren't implying that that occurred, you just have no knowledge. Correct? MR, EDWARDS: Form, THE WITNESS: 1 don't know. BY MR, CRITTON: Q. Sorry? fs I dort knew sees you responded that. - let me ask it this way. You never saw Mr. Epstein ever take photographs of anyone. Would that be a correct statement? A, Yes. Q. Would it be a correct statement you never saw Mr. Epstein initiate a a ee call to anyone? “30 (Pages 383 to 386) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 NON PARTY (VR) 000344 GIUPFRE001034