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Oo oa .S wo 1) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1335-3 Filed 01/09/24 Page 149 of 223 148 A. Yes. Dershowitz was around a lot and Epstein constantly had minors around with him. So to say that he personally knew about the abuse happening with the other minors, I mean, even before Dershowitz and I were personally together, he walked in on -- one occasion in New York he walked in on me providing oral sex to Jeffrey Epstein and, I mean, I thought that was a very awkward situation, somebody just knocking on the door walking in continuing to have a conversation while he's being serviced. So and then as well, you know, there's -- I mean, charades of, tons of young girls constantly around for the only sole purpose of having sex with those minors. Q. How many times would anybody have to visit an Epstein property to be an eye witness to the sexual abuse of many of the minors in your opinion? A. I'm sorry, can you rephrase? I just don't understand what you mean. Q. You say that Dershowitz was on eye witness? A. Yes. Q. But you never actually saw him as an eye witness to the sexual abuse of many of the minors; is that correct? MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection. A. Yes, I did see him as an eye witness CONFIDENTIAL