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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1335-4 DCDOMDADUBPWNHNFDWOWOWOAIDUOBWNE Page 218 G Maxwell - Confidential A. You would have to ask Virginia, I don't know if she was led up to his room. Q. You were standing with the mother, is that correct? A. That's correct. Q. Who was working at the house that day? A. Ibelieve John Alessi was. A. Would John Alessi typically lead someone up to the room where Jeffrey was having a massage? A. I don't know she was led up to the room to have a massage. Q. She would have found her way on her own? A. I would suggest that that entire story never happened at all in any of its form. Q. Ifyou stood outside with the mother, what did you think happened inside then? A. I believe that somebody, it wasn't me, John Alessi probably took her to meet Jeffrey Epstein while he was working at his Filed 01/09/24 Page 57 of 106 MIDNA HBRWNHRFPDOWOCAIAUYAWNHE Page 220 G Maxwell - Confidential up to the room and start a massage? A. He would not. Q. So the young girls in the police report who say they came over and were led up to the room on the first day, would they be wrong about that? MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to form and foundation. A. I can't comment what happened when I was not at the house. I can only comment when I was at the house. Q. Was there ever a time where a woman came to the house for the first time to give a massage and Jeffrey had the massage that day? MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. A. Can we talk about adult professional masseuses, please? Q. I'm asking, whether adult or underage? A. I'm not interested in talking about underage. I can only testify to what I know, professional masseuses, adult, I cannot Page 219 G Maxwell - Confidential desk and they had a conversation. Q. Did Jeffrey tell you that? A. No but that would have been a normal interaction. I don't believe for a second -- I know her entire characterization didn't happen because I was outside talking to her mother the entire time. Q. Why would she have come for a massage and not given a massage? MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. A. Weare talking about her characterization of the first time that she came to the house. Q. IfI'm following you correctly, you're saying she walked in and would have gone to -- it's your assumption she would have gone and talked to Jeffrey and left? A. When I was working for Jeffrey, typically he would meet someone before getting a massage from them to see if he wanted to have a massage from them, typically. Q. So he would not have someone come Page 221 G Maxwell - Confidential testify to anything else. Q. Why can't you testify to an underage girl that came over and was led up to the room for a massage? MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. A. The police records you are referring to? Q. You are saying that didn't happen. You're saying I can only testify to adults that came for an interview and were led up to the room. Why can't you testify to whether an underage girl was brought in for an interview and led up -- MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. Q. Go ahead. A. Can you reask the question. Q. Why can't you testify as to an underage girl who came over for an interview and then was then led up to the room for the massage? A. You've mangled your entire question. Can you please reask that in a wa 6 (Pages 218 to 221) MAGNA® — LEGAL SERVICES