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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1335-4 DCDOMDADUBPWNHNFDWOWOWOAIDUOBWNE Page 214 G Maxwell - Confidential A. I'mcarrying on. Q. I'msorry. I thought you were done. A. Please. Her statement also that she was driven by her father to Palm Beach. She was driven by her mother, as a matter of fact. Her whole entire characterization of the first meeting with Jeffrey, as I was outside speaking to her mother. Q. Let me stop you there, so we don't get too far ahead. Let me make sure I understand your testimony. The first, in the first piece when you were talking, I believe you said and correct me if I'm wrong, that her characterization of the first meeting at Mar-a-Lago was an obvious lie. What part of that meeting was an obvious lie? A. By her own testimony, all her various many different descriptions of what she was or wasn't or where she was or wasn't, they have all changed. She was either front of house or bathroom attendant. I don't know Filed 01/09/24 Page 56 of 106 DCDOMDADUBPWNHNFDWOWOWOAIDUOBWNE Page 216 G Maxwell - Confidential MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. A. Iwas talking to her mother so... Q. Do you know whether that's an obvious lie, whether she had sex in that room or not? A. Her story about what happened -- let's also be -- the story as first hit the press was that somebody else led her to Jeffrey's room, it was not me and then it turned to being me so we have an obviously important inconsistency, lie in my -- that's how I would characterize a lie. It cannot be me or somebody else, it can only be one or the other. Q. Who is the other person she said took her to the room? Why don't you ask her. I'm asking you. How would I possibly know. You are saying that's a lie. . It was a lie in the papers, she said it in the newspaper, it was in the newspaper. Page 215 G Maxwell - Confidential what she was, so just by her own words, one doesn't know what's true and what isn't true. Q. Are you saying what position she said she was working in, is that what you are considering the obvious lie? A. I said inconsistency within her own statement from everything, so in the beginning it starts off with different statements. Q. Then I believe you said the second piece was that she was driven by her father? A. I said she was driven by her mother. Q. That's the obvious lie? A. It's an obvious lie to me. Q. You said why don't you state it in your own words but the characterization of how she was with Jeffrey, what about that is an obvious lie? A. Iwas standing outside talking to her mother so the entire story is a fabrication. Q. Did she not have sex with Jeffrey Epstein during that first massage? Page 217 G Maxwell - Confidential Q. How do you know she wasn't identifying you? A. She said somebody. Q. How do you know that somebody wasn't you? A. Why did it suddenly become me, why not say it was me and be done with it. Q. So it's a lie because she originally may not have named you and then named you later? A. It's obviously inconsistent to somebody who wasn't me. Q. How do you know it wasn't you? A. Iknow it wasn't me because I was talking to her mother. Q. But she then named you, is what you are saying? A. That's an obvious lie. Q. She named you? A. It's an obvious lie because I wasn't even in the house. Q. Is it an obvious -- who did lead her up to Jeffrey's room while you were talking to her mother? 214 to 217) MAGNA® ~~~ LEGAL SERVICES