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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1335-4 DIDO BWNFPWOOANDOAWNE Page 174 G Maxwell - Confidential believe. Do you believe -- A. Ican only testify -- Q. Let me finish the question so the record is clear. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to the form and foundation. Q. You can answer. A. Ican only testify to what I know. I know that Virginia is a liar and I know what she testified is a lie. So I can only testify to what I know to be a falsehood and half those falsehoods are enormous and so I can only categorically deny everything she has said and that is the only thing I can talk about because I have no knowledge of anything else. Q. I'm not asking about Virginia. I'm asking whether you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Again, I repeat, I can only go on what I know and what I know is a falsehood based on what Virginia said. Filed 01/09/24 Page 46 of 106 SCODMDIADUBWNHKFOWDAIUAYOBWNHER Page 176 G Maxwell - Confidential Q. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Again, I repeat, the only person I know who has talked about these things that I have personal -- was personally present, was Virginia and I can only talk to Virginia and she is a liar. Q. Setting aside Virginia. Take her out of the picture. It's my question. A. Weare here today because of Virginia and her lies because this is a defamation suit. Q. Setting aside Virginia, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Icannot set aside Virginia because that's why we are here and this is the only reason | am sitting here in this room and I will not set her aside and I cannot comment about anything else except her because she is the only person I actually know about. Q. Are you refusing to answer that question? A. Lam not refusing the question. I Page 175 G Maxwell - Confidential Q. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Again, I repeat, Virginia is a liar and based on Virginia's stories, that is what -- she lied and I can only then talk about what you've showed me in the police reports and I know he went to jail. Q. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? I'm asking about your belief. A. Again, I just repeat, I can only go -- my belief is Virginia is a liar. Q. What is that belief? A. She is an absolute liar and everything she said is a lie and therefore, everything that stems from that is a lie. Q. So do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Again -- can we move on from here? Q. No. You are going to answer the question. A. Thave already. Q. No, you haven't. A. Lhave. Page 177 G Maxwell - Confidential can only testify about Virginia who is an absolute total liar and you all know she is. She lied about her age, you know she lied about absolutely everything. So I can only go on what I know as a liar and she is a liar, an exaggerator, a fantasist and absolutely true terrible person. Q. I want you to listen very carefully. I am asking you to set aside Virginia. A. Ican't set aside Virginia. Q. Iam asking you to do that for purposes of this question. MR. PAGLIUCA: She doesn't have to. MS. McCAWLEY: She can refuse to answer the question. A. I'm not refusing to answer the question. Q. You are refusing. My question has nothing to do with Virginia. Let me make the record here. My question has nothing to do with Virginia. I want it to be clear for the court. My question has nothing to do with Virginia. MAGNA®© 45 (Pages 174 to 177) LEGAL SERVICES