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From: Noam Chomsky Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 5:30 PM To: Jeffrey E. Subject: RE: Re: That makes sense. At some level, at least the cellular level, there must be similarities on how various systems are decoding signals. But there are systems of the mind/brain where this doesn't seem to carry us very far. For example, organization of voluntary motor action. And for language it is even more intricate and mysterious, because language has this curious property being a central system, used for input and for output though largely functioning internally as a (or maybe the) mechanism of thought. And there's an additional problem for research: Unlike the human visual system, we can't learn anything about language by study of other organisms because there is nothing analogous, so invasive experimentation of the kind that is so informative about the mammalian visual system is of no use. From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.coml Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 11:12 AM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: Re: understood, however i am working down the line , i dont care what creates the signal . light lines regularites, etc. sound smell etc. they merely produce a chemical -electrical . signal/pattern . no more no less. the de encryption of that signal is my focus. the method that makes "sense" from that signal is my prey. On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Noam Chomsky < > wrote: This is the program David Marr initiated, developed by Shimon Ullman and others. Makes sense, and there are some interesting results. David was a friend, and we often discussed these topics. In fact, his famous three levels adapted a model from generative grammar. But there was always the fundamental problem I mentioned. Vision is an input system, crafting coherent images from lines, points of light, etc. Language is used for that purpose too, but it's not what language is. That fundamental difference, along with the fact that the principles involved seem quite different, has always been a stumbling block to seeking any link. EFTA_R1_01341411 EFTA02356536 From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com <mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:48 AM To: Noam Chomsky > Subject: Re: Vision rules needed to craft coherent image . Edges? " Faggehtabowtit." Two edges crafted by software On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Noam Chomsky > wrote: I presume that the software just guides the hardware. Don't see how that changes the considerations. From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.comj Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:09 AM To: Noam Chomsky > Subject: Re: The hardware of vision is an input system , It's the software that I'm referring to . On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Noam Chomsky > wrote: We don't teach children language either, contrary to many beliefs. The visual grammar just grows, and as is known, can develop in various ways depending on early experience. Same with the language grammar, though the period in which experience has a shaping effect is much longer. However, there are fundamental differences between vision and language. Can send you a recent paper about it if you like. Vision is an input system. Language isn't. It's an internal capacity, a system of knowledge, which is used to process input and also to produce thoughts (sometimes externalized). Seems also to be modality independent. And their properties look wholly different, so it's hard to see how one could piggy-back on the other. Noam 2 EFTA_R1_01341412 EFTA02356537 From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.comj Sent: Thursday, December 24 2015 9:24 AM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: we dont teach children to see. they have a visual grammar built in . why wouldnt we expect some mutation of that system to allow auditory grammar. please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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