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wo wowmy nn ® WN NNNNN NPP PEP PPP RPE Ue WN OCW OAINAHE WHE OO woman AM FF WwW DN NNNN NN BH HB BH eB BR eR oR Oe WNH OW MONA U BW NRE OO BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. -- that's a young woman. MR. SCOTT: Objection. You're cutting the witness off. You're not letting him finish. A. This looks like a picture out of a Playboy or Penthouse magazine. It does not look to me like a person who is under the age of 16 or 17 or 18. But I don't think you can tell anything from the picture. [ think you can tell much more from meeting somebody and being with them and having a conversation with them. MR. SCAROLA: Let's mark this photograph, if we could, as Exhibit Number 4. (Thereupon, marked as Plaintiff Exhibit 4.) BY MR. SCAROLA: . Q. Does Exhibit Number 4 help you at all to recognize this young woman? A. I've never -- | have no -- no recollection of this young woman at all. Q. Allright. Would you describe for us, please, the Tatiana that you flew with Jeffrey Epstein on November 17, 2005? A. First, | want to emphasize that that's three years later than any of the issues involved in to Od HD mH PB WN NVNNNNN PF EP Be Be Be Oe mF WwW NF CO oO OW KH WH SF WwW NHN FHF OO 198 this case. | have no recollection of flying with this woman. | saw the name Tatiana on a manifest. And my recoliection of Tatiana -- | have no recollection of flying with her, but my recollection of Tatiana is that she was a serious, mid 20s woman friend of Jeffrey Epstein, who I may have met on one or two or three occasions when he was with her in -- perhaps at Harvard University where he was meeting with academics and scholars, or perhaps -- I think that's probably the context where -- where she might have been. Q. But you never flew with her? A. [have no recollection of flying with her. Q. Okay. Well, let me sec if this helps to refresh your recollection, Mr. Dershowitz. MR. SCAROLA: Let's mark this as Exhibit Number 5, please. THE WITNESS: Uh-huh, yes. (Thereupon, marked as Plaintiff Exhibit 5.) BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Deo you see that the name of the woman in the photographs I have handed you is Tatiana Kovylina, K-O-V-Y-L-I-N-A, a Victoria Secrets model? The photographs, sir, look at the ow Wn KD FP WN HR 199 photographs. The photographs identify the woman as Tatiana Kovylina, correct? A. Yes, but -- MR. SCOTT: Mr. Dershowitz, take your time -- THE WITNESS: Yeah. MR. SCOTT: -- review the exhibits. Don't be rushed by Mr. Scarola. A. Yes, it's a different -- different spelling of the name. The Tatiana on the manifest is spelled T-A-I-T-A-N-N-A. The Tatiana in the photograph is T-A-T-I-N -- L-A-N-A. I have no idea whether -- BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. The last name -- A. -- they are the same person. Q. ~-- is the same, Kovylina, right? A. There's no last name. Q. Well, read down a little bit further, if you would, Mr. Dershowitz. A. You mean as toa different flight? Q. Yes, sir. Identifying the return flight for the same Tatiana. A. [have no idea that it's a return flight. I have nothing on the record that suggests that it's 200 areturn flight. And it has different people on it. So I have no reason to believe it's a return flight. Q. Is the last -- the question that I asked you, Mr. Dershowitz, is: Is the last name spelled exactly the same as the last name is spelled in the two photographs I have shown you? A. Let me look. So, on the 20th of November -- Q. Is the last name -- MR. SCOTT: Whoa, whoa -- BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. -- spelled the same way on both the flight log and the two photographs I have shown you? A. On-- you mean on a flight log that I was not on the flight? Is that right? You're talking about a flight log that I was not on the flight, right? Q. That flight log shows you on multiple flights, does it not? A. It shows me not on that flight. It shows me on a number of flights, but not on that flight. MR. SCOTT: What's the date of the flights? THE WITNESS: The date of that flight is -- looks like November 20th, 2005, more 6 (Pages 197 to 200) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010788