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OIA Ow WN 189 airplane flights with Jeffrey Epstein. They have me ona number of flights, none -- let me emphasize, none within the relevant time period, none within the relevant time period. That is, there are no manifests that have me on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane during the time that Virginia Roberts claims to have -- falsely claims to have had sex with me. So, yes, not only recall making that statement, but | repeat it here today. And it is absolutely true. And it just confirms what I know, and that is that Virginia Roberts made up the entire story. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Your statement -- MR. SCOTT: What page are you reading from? MR. SCAROLA: Page 5. Q. Your statement was that you were never on a private airplane with this woman, which I assume was a reference to Virginia Roberts, correct? It is, yes. Or any other underage girl? . That's right. All right. How many times -- Well, let me be very clear. [have no 190 idea who was in the front cabin of the airplane with the pilots. Obviously what | intended to say and what I say here now is I never saw an underaged person on an airplane. Now, when | -- when I flew with Jeffrey Epstein to the launch, my recollection is that there may have been a couple on the plane with their child who was going to see the launch. But that was certainly not the context in which | made the statement. I never saw any underage, young person who would be the subject or object of any improper sexual activities. Had I seen Jeffrey Epstein ever in the presence of an underage woman in a context that suggested sexuality, | would have, A, left the scene; B, reported it; and, C, never had any further contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Q. You have also made the statement that you were never on a private airplane with any underage women or any young women, correct? A. The context was underage women in a sexual context. If it was a -- you know, a four-year-old child being carried by her mother, that would not be included in what | intended to say. Q. Your sworn testimony yesterday, according OIA oO WN Ro RO 0 4.91. to the transcription, the official transcription of that testimony, was that, quote: "Let me emphasize that the manifests that do exculpate me do net shew me flying with Virginia Roberts, they do not show me flying with any young women." ‘That was the testimony you gave under oath. Do you stand by that testimony teday? A. The manifests that | saw corroborate my own memory -- my own memory is as clear as could be -- that I never saw any inappropriately aged, underaged women on any airplane to my knowledge that were visible to me at any time that I flew. That is my testimony, yes. Q. Well, that's not a response to the question that J asked. Is it your testimony today that you never flew on a private airplane with, quote, “any young women"? MR. SCOTT: Objection, form. A. By young women, I obviously meant in that context underage women. And underage women in the context of sexuality. And, yes, I -- I stand by that statement. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Allright. So your -- your clarification wow Oot DA WH & WY DN NM NNN KD BPP PB Be oP EP oe oe OE Oe WNP OY oY HH WN FO 192 of your earlier testimony is that you never saw any young women in a sexual context? A. That's not clarification. I think that's what | initially said. That's what | initially intended. And that's the way any reasonable -- any reasonable person would interpret what my original testimony was. So | don't believe my original testimony required any clarification. Q. So what you meant to convey by the statement that you made when you said you never flew with any underage girl or any young women was you never fiew with any underage girl or young women in a sexual context? MR. SCOTT: Objection, form. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Is that correct? A. Let me simply repeat the fact and that is, to my knowledge, I never flew on an airplane or was ever in the presence on an airplane with any underage woman who would be somebody who might be in a sexual context. | say that only to eliminate the possibility that some four-year-old was on the lap ofa mother or somebody was on the airplane with family members. But, no, | do not recail -- and I'm very 4 (Pages 189 to 192) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010786