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to OT Dm PWN eH NNNNNN BPP Pe PB ee eo OPRWNH OW AIH UM BWNHRHO to on Din fF Wd NN NNN NY HPP FP BP BP RP BR HF HP Bp Uk WN OD ON HM FW NE OO 225 MR. SIMPSON: The flash drive is the same as the document production. MR. SCAROLA: So the answer is no, they're not there; is that correct? MR. SIMPSON: Correct. MR. SCAROLA: Okay. And what's the explanation for that? MR. SIMPSON: I'm not going to debate this on the record with you, Mr. Scarola. MR. SCAROLA: All right. Thank you. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Which conversation with Rebecca did you tape record? A. I tape recorded a conversation with her permission where she told me that she was pressured, she didn't -- where Rebecca told me that Virginia was pressured and that she didn't want to name me but she was pressured to name me, that she had never previously named me. By the way, | told this to Virginia Roberts’ lawyer. MS. McCAWLEY: Objection. To the extent you're going to reveal anything that was said during settlement discussions, I'm moving for sanctions, period. We're not doing this today. : wow owt A mF WwW NY NON NN NN BR Me Bm bb Eb ne WN FO WM OTH BW HO 22) A. [know what you know because I'm a logical person and I know that Virginia -- I know that Virginia Roberts repeatedly called this -- this woman and her husband, repeatedly text her, and knows her name. And you and Virginia Roberts' lawyers are operating in privity here. You're whispering to each other, you're passing notes. You are part of a joint legal team. And if you want to know her name, all you have to do is ask Sigrid McCawley and she'll tell you her name. I'm sure you know her name. And if you don't know her name, it's because you haven't asked. . Okay. Well, I'm asking you ~- . I'm not going to tell you -- . and I'm telling you I don't know her . Okay. . Okay? As an officer of the court, 1am telling you I don't know her name, And you are under oath and obliged to answer material and relevant questions, and I want to know what her name is. MR. SCOTT: I will provide you the name off the record, but I'm not -- if he feels it's 226 Please instruct the witness. MR. SCOTT: Avoid that. We discussed that yesterday. THE WITNESS: That's fine. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. What was the date of the phone conversation that you tape recorded? A. I don't recall. But it's on the transcript. Q. And does it also reflect that the recording is being made with her permission? A. Uh-huh. Q. That's a yes? A. Yes. Yes, that's a yes. Q. What is Rebecca's last name? A. You know Rebecca's last name and she has asked me not to reveal it to the press. And so } would like to comply with that -- with that request. For purposes of discovery, you know her name, you know her husband's name, you know her phone number, and she has been called. But there's no reason for me to reveal it so that it appears in the press that she would be called by newspapers and by the media. Q. Mr. Dershowitz, how do you know what I know if you haven't told me? oI HMB WDHB NNNNN NFP PHP Pe Pe ee WU PBWNHH COW’ OID MN BWNeH OW 228 inappropriate because of what -- he's not going to answer the question. | will provide you the name. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Okay. She has still insisted that her name not be revealed; is that correct? A. Her husband asked me to do whatever | could not to put her name in front of the press, in front of the media. Q. There's no -- there's no one from the press here today. MR. SCOTT: Yeah, but they're going to order the transcript and they're going to sce, so that's the same thing. And I've already told -- A. You will have her name in five -- MR. SCOTT: I will give you her name -- A, -- minutes. All you have to do is -- MR. SCOTT: And, Jack, if you want to take a break now -- THE REPORTER: Holdon. Hold on, gentlemen. You can't talk at the same time. MR. SCOTT: Let me do the talking at this point. THE WITNESS: Please. 13 (Pages 225 to 228) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010795