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wo earn nu pb wnpe MN NNN NP BE BB Be Be Be oe oe ob “ob WN HEH OO ON AUP WH HO wo ON AU P WN BH NNNNN NB BB BP Be BR Be Be BoB Ob wWwNH OHO MANA MN FP wWNH OC 205 the source of that honest belief was? Identify any source that attributed to Virginia Roberts the statement that Bill Clinton was with her at an orgy on Jeffrey's island. A. We can provide you about, | think, 20 newspaper articles and blogs which certainly raise the implication that Bill Clinton had improperly participated in sexual activities on the island either as an observer or as a participant. The issue was raised on Sean Hannity's program. The headlines in various British media had suggested that. It's my belief that Virginia Roberts intended to convey that impression when she was trying to sell her story to various media, which she successfully sold her story to in Britain, that she wanted to keep that open as a possibility. And then when I firmly declared, based on my research, that Bill Clinton had almost certainly never been on that island, she then made a firm statement that she -- which was a -- which was a perjurious statement, a firm perjurious statement saying that although Bill Clinton had been with her on the island and had had dinner with her, the perjurious statement was that Bill Clinton had been | wo Ona HM WN NNN NNN PB BBP Be BP Be oe Bo WM PwWwNF OwU MAN AUM BWNH OO Clinton on orgy island, things of that kind. I would be happy to provide them for you. I don't have them on the top of my head. Q. There's a big difference between saying that Bill Clinton was on Jeffrey's island and saying that Bill Clinton was at an orgy on Jeffrey's island, isn't there? MR. SCOTT: Objection -- BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Do you recognize a distinction between those statements? MR. SCOTT: Form. A. I don't think that distinction was clearly drawn by the media. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. I'masking whether you recognize the distinction? A. Oh, I-- I certainly recognize a distinction. Q. Oh, so -- A. Let me finish. I certainly recognize a distinction between Bill Clinton being on the island, which I believe she perjuriously put in her affidavit, and Bill Clinton participating actively in an orgy. I also think it's a continuum. 206 on the island with her. The lie was that she described in great detail a dinner with Bill Clinton and two underaged Russian women who were offered to Bill Clinton for sex but that Bill Clinton tumed down. So she then put in her affidavit that although -- perjuriously, although she had seen Bill Clinton on that island, she then stated that she had not had sex with Bill Clinton. To my knowledge, that was -- to my knowledge at least, that was the first time she stated that -- that she not had sex with Bill Clinton, She had certainly implied, or at least some of the media had inferred from her statements that she may very well have observed Bill Clinton in a sexually compromising position. So, when | made that statement to Don Lemon, I had a firm belief, based on reading newspaper accounts and blogs, that it was true. Q. Can you identify a single newspaper that attributed to Virginia Roberts the statement that Bill Clinton was with her at an orgy on Jeffrey's island? A. I think there -- I don't have them in my head right now. But I do recall reading headlines that talked about things like, sex slave places wan nu es wn NNNNN NF BB BP Be BB oe BoB WVob WN OO MIN HAM WN FO And there is the possibility, which I don't personally believe to be true, that he was on the island. There was the possibility, which I don't believe to be true, that he was on the island when orgies were taking place. There was the possibility that he was on the island and observed an orgy, and there was the possibility that he was on the island and participated in an orgy. Newspapers picked up those stories. I'tl give you an example of a newspaper that actually said that that she had placed or that ] was on the island and -- that I participated in an orgy along with Stephen Hawkings [sic.], the famous physicist from Cambridge University, that was a newspaper published in the Virgin Islands, which falsely claimed that I was at an orgy with Stephen Hawkings. So, many newspapers were suggesting, implying, and I inferred from reading those newspapers that that's what she had said to the media. If I was wrong about that based on subsequent information, | apologize. But 1 certainly, at the time I said it, believed it and made the statement in good faith in the belief that it was an honest statement. 8 (Pages 205 to 208) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010790