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wo own Oo FW NY bP RMN NNR NN BH RP BR ee ee RB oe pf MF WD eH OU MAI HU PWD HO 213 (Recess was held from 9:49 a.m. until 10:01 a.m.) VIDEOGRAPHER: Going back on the record. The time is approximately 10:01 a.m. MR. SCOTT: If you've finished your bagel, we're ready to proceed, J think, MR. SCAROLA: I think we are. I was actually ready to proceed a little bit earlier, but we'll proceed now. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Mr. Dershowitz, do you agree with the basic concept that one is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty? A. Yes. Q. Has Virginia Roberts ever been proven to be guilty of any crime at any time, anywhere, at any age? A. I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that she was brought into the legal system for stealing money from her employer and | think it's fair to characterize that as her having a criminal record, yeah. Q. Te the extent that anyone might interpret your comment that Virginia Roberts was ever convicted of a crime, they would be drawing a false conclusion as far as you know, correct? oO on~ayI num FF WN RN NKR RN EH PP PP RP RP BP HB He WKHH OKO MAI HU FW HR O 214 | A. As far as I know, I don’t know of her having convicted of any crime. But I do know that she was proceeded against for having stolen money. And | don't think she contested that. I don’t think there's any dispute about the fact that she stole money and engaged in other crimes as well. Q. When did you find out about this alleged crime? A. As soon as the false allegation against me was made public, | got call after call after call from people telling me about Virginia Roberts, about your 22 clients. The calls just kept coming in because there was such outrage at this false allegation being directed against me. MR. SCAROLA: Move to strike the unresponsive portion of the answer. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. You found out as soon as the CVRA complaint was -- the CVRA allegations referencing you were filed; is that correct? A. I didn't say that. I said as soon as they were made public and as soon as the newspapers carried these false stories, I received phone calls and I leamed about -- | learned about her encounter with the criminal justice system. wo Own Oo PW bh FH NNN NN MH HM we ee bob ob ob ob PWN eH OU MO IH HF Wh HO 25 oOoMU MWAH FF WD HF 215 Q. That would certainly have been prior to February 23rd of 2015, correct? A. Yes. MR. SCOTT: Are you going back to the exhibit now with the newspapers and -- MR. SCAROLA: Not yet. MR. SCOTT: Okay. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Having reviewed the available airplane flight logs, you are aware that Bill Clinton flew on at least 15 occasions with Jeffrey Epstein on his private plane, correct? A. Yes. Q. Have you ever attempted to get flight log information with regard to Former President Clinton's other private airplane travel? A. No. Q. Never made a public records request —- A. Yes. Q. -- under the Freedom of Information Act with regard to those records? A. Well, we have made a Freedom of Information request. My -- my attorney in New York, Louis Freeh, the former head of the FBI, has made a FOIA request for all information that would 216 conclusively prove that Bill Clinton was never on Jeffrey Epstein’s island, yes. Q. And you were denied those records, correct? A. No, no, no. Q. Oh, you got them? MR. SCOTT: Well, wait a minute. Let's take it slow. Ask a question. A. Asany lawyer knows, FOIA requests take a long, long period of time. So they were neither denied nor were they given to us. They are very much in process. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. When was -- A. While we're talking about -- may I complete -- | want to amend one answer J gave previously. While we're talking about the plane logs, ] must say that during the recess, my wife Googled Tatiana and found out that she was, in fact, 24 years old in 1995, at the time she flew on that airplane. So that my characterization of her as about 25 years old is absolutely correct. And the implication that you sought to draw by showing me those pictures was not only 10 (Pages 213 to 216) www. phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010792