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wo oma Ho PF wn NNN NNN BB eB eH Re Be oe Be oe oH URW NF OO OI AMR WN BO oils and towels? "Answer: Yes, ma'am. "Question: And did you ever have occasion to go upstairs and clean up after the massages? "Answer: Yeah, uh-huh. “Question: Did you ever find any vibrators in that area? “Answer: Yes. I told him yes. "Question: Would you describe for me what kinds of vibrators you found? "Answer: I'm not too familiar with the names, but they were like big dildos, what they call the big rubber things like that (indicating). And I used to go and put my gloves on and pick them up, put them in the sink, rinse it off and put it in Ms. Maxwell -- Ms, Maxwell had in her closet, she had like a laundry basket. And you put laundry in. She have full of those toys.” Is that testimony that exonerates you, Mr. Dershowitz? Is that what you were referring to? MR. SCOTT: Let me -- objection to the form, improper cross examination by taking excerpts out of depositions of witnesses. wo nr HU FP WwW DY & N NNN NPP BP Pe BP BB BE BWNF OM OY HUM PWN OO 279 is a third-year student at Harvard, were all there with me. That was the only time that I stayed over more than one night. And I never stayed even onc night during the relevant timeframe. But most importantly, he gives no timeframe. And clearly his reference to the sex toys is a reference to the part of the house that I was never permitted in and never entered. Q. What is the question that you think you were answering? A. Whether -- MR. SCOTT: He was explaining to you exactly why he felt that that was inappropriate, which is exactly what you asked him. MR. SCAROLA: No, it is not. MR. SCOTT: Well, it is my recollection, so I don't know -- MR. SCAROLA: Well, then -- MR. SCOTT: 1| think he was defending -- MR. SCAROLA: Let me try the same question over again. MR. SCOTT: I think he was defending his -- his position. THE WITNESS: Right. 278 BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Is it your contention that that testimony, under oath, of your friend, Mr. Epstein's staff person, exonerates yon? A. First, a little background. Mr. Alessi was fired for theft of material from Mr. Epstein, so Mr. Alessi was not on a friendly basis with Jeffrey Epstein. Second, the description of the dildos and sex toys clearly refers to the area of the house that I was never in, the area of Ms. Maxwell's room, rather than the area of the room that I stayed in. Third, he gives no timeframe for the visits. And, fourth, he certainly didn't in any way confirm that | was there while Virginia Roberts was there. His answer was simply that | was there from time to time. He's wrong about that. During the relevant timeframe, I was never in the house. And even taking outside the relevant timeframe, the only time I was in the house for more than one day was when my family, my wife, my son, my daughter-in-law, my then probably seven or eight-year-old granddaughter, who just graduated Harvard, and my probably four-year-old grandson, who BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. The question was: Is that part of the time that you claim exonerates you? A. Well, I think if you read the whole testimony, it clearly exonerates me and | think that part of the testimony in no way inculpates me and no reasonable person reading that could use that as a basis for making allegations that I had sexual encounters or misconduct with Virginia Roberts. So, when -- if that's the best testimony that your unprofessional clients relied on, then clearly that exonerates me. Again, the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. And the very idea that this is seen as some basis for concluding that I had sexual encounters with -- with Virginia Roberts, why wasn't he asked did he ever see me have a massage by Virginia Roberts? Did he ever see me have a sexual encounter with Virginia Roberts? Did he ever go to the room I was staying in and find any sex toys? The answers to all those questions, if truthful, would be no. Q. What was Mr. Alessi's motive against you? You've told us he was fired by Jeffrey Epstein, so he may have had some motive against Mr, Epstein. 26 (Pages 277 to 280) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010808