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oan nam &® WN 285 relationship with him and he has an ability to justify and explain his position in response -- MR. SCAROLA: [f it's responsive to the question. A. It's responsive. And as far as the filibustering is -- BY MR. SCAROLA: . Do you remember what the question is? . cis concerned, I was here -- . Do you remember what the question was? . Yes. Yes. What is the question? . The question is -- no, why don't you repeat the question. Q. Yes, sir. A. So- Q. You know that Bob Josefsberg would not advance allegations on behalf of a client that that client had been lent out by Jeffrey Epstein to satisfy the sexual desires of friends of Jeffrey Epstein, including academicians, unless Bob Josefsberg believed those allegations to be true, right? A. 1 believe that -- | know that Bob Josefsberg would never maintain a friendship with worn nu &F WN NNNNNN BB eB Be Oe Oe Oe oe Oe oe ue WN EF OO MON THU BWN HO 287 the people who the FBI had put on the -- the list. I just don't know what his responsibility was. I can say with confidence that he would only act ethically and would, A, not represent -- not make any false statements the way your clients made them, and that | wish your clients had the ethics of Bob Josefsberg. Q. You then agree that if Bob Josefsberg advanced the claims that I have described ina complaint on behalf of a client, he would not have done so unless he believed those allegations to be truc, having conducted a fair and reasonable investigation, correct? MR. SCOTT: Objection, asked and answered several times. A. I don't know the answer to that question because | don't know the context in which he made these arguments. All I do know is that he never would maintain a friendship with me if he believed in any way that I was one of the people that she had accused. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q. Did Alfredo Rodriguez, another one of your friend's staff persons, have a motive to lic against you? wo oat nr WY FP WN NNNNN DN BF BF BP BP OB OB OP oe OW OB WNHH OW MANA U BH wWN RO 286 me, as he has, if he believed that | was one of those academicians. Bob Josefsberg knows that | was not one of those academicians, and the inference of your question is beneath contempt, sir. Q. Could we try to answer the question now? A. The answer is that Bob Josefsberg would never maintain a friendship with me if he believed that there was any possibility that I was among the academicians who she was accusing of sexual misconduct. I do not believe that she ever accused me of sexual misconduct to Bob Josefsberg, to the FBI, to the U.S. attorney, or even, sir, to you and Bradley Edwards, as she says in 2000, I think, 'IL. 1 think she made up this story on the eve of the filing in 2014. Q. You do agree that Bob Josefsberg would not have advanced the claims that he advanced if he did not have confidence that they were true, correct? A. {have no idea what he believed or knew at the time. I would say this: [ know Bob Josefsberg is an extraordinarily ethical lawyer. I don’t know what his responsibilities were in the case. I don't know whether his responsibilities were to make those kinds of judgments or whether his responsibility was simply to make sure that money was paid to each of awrt nan &® WN NNNNN NF BRP PH PR HP PH WB WwW dN FP OO ON HAM FW NY HF Ow A. Alberto Rodriguez -- Q. No, sir, Alfredo Rodriguez. A. Alfredo Rodriguez, I never knew him by name. He was, of course, there out -- well outside of the timeframe of the alleged events in this case. And so anything that he would be able to testify to would bear no relationship whatsoever to the -- the allegations here. He was criminally prosecuted, to my memory, for having stolen material and turned it over to Bradley Edwards is my recollection. And as the result of that clearly had a motive to lie. And the same with Mr. Alessi, clearly would have a basis for believing that I may have played a role as Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer in seeking to do harm to him. But again, there’s nothing in Mr. Rodriguez's testimony which is in any way inculpatory of me. I think he has me sitting and -- and reading a book and drinking a glass of wine. . Inthe presence of young women? . No. No? 28 (Pages 285 to 288) www.phippsreporting.com (888) 811-3408 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010810