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17 79 o1:2805 1 BY MR. SIMPSON: ovzear 1 MS. McCAWLEY: Yeah. orzecg 6 2 Q. Do you want the question back? ores | 2 MR. SCAROLA: -- who keeps jumping up and orzet0 63 A. No. I'm just trying to remember what I was | 01250 3 down and distracting everybody in the room? oraz 4 thinking about with -- with regard to -- ot2952 4 MS. McCAWLEY: And there was also profanity ovis | 5 MR. SCAROLA: Do you need the response read ovrese 5 used earlier. I mean, we just have to settle orze17 6 back up to the point -- orzss 6 down on this side, and take a deep breath, and or2e1s «= 7 THE WITNESS: Yeah, if you would do that, or2a5s 7 let him answer his questions. or2820 8 yeah. I just -- orvzese 8 MR. SIMPSON: Look, I mean, the same thing or2820 «9 MR. SCAROLA: -- about privilege arose. arzeso 9 was happening on the other side. or2820 10 THE WITNESS: Yeah. Let's just see what that o13000 10 MR. SCAROLA: No, sir. 01:28:20 11 one -- avso00 14 MS. McCAWLEY: There was no profanity on this o12e21 12 MR. SCAROLA: Just read the last couple of ar30.00 12 side of the table. 012822 13 sentences back, or the last two sentences. orz000 13 MR. SCAROLA: No, no, no. There was never orze31 14 THE WITNESS: Oh, I'm sorry. NowI remember | o+3003 14 anyone who jumped to their feet at any time orzea2 15 exactly what I was thinking. orzo0s 15 during the course of the last two days. The only or2832 16 How would we go find out whether Mr. Epstein orso08 16 person who keeps jumping up is Alan Dershowitz. ovzeas 17 was lending women, or in this case, underage ovata 17 Have him pass you a note quietly, if you would, 0128.39 18 girls, to Mr. Dershowitz for sexual purposes? ovz016 18 please. orvzear 19 Well, the first thing I want to do was ask ~- you orzo018 19 MR. SIMPSON: I will disagree with your orze4s 20 know, I'd -- I'd go ask Jeffrey Epstein. ovzor9 20 characterization, but let me say the or2847 24 And so what I discovered when I started to orso20 24 argumentation -- orze4s 22 look at the transcripts, there were a number of orso21 22 MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Are you -- are you 01:28:52 23 transcripts where Mr. Epstein was asked about ar022 23 making the representation -- or2ess 24 Alan Dershowitz. And rather than say, well, no, 013022 24 MR. SIMPSON: No, I'm not. o12es7 25 he wasn't involved in any of these illegal or3023 25 MR, SCAROLA: -- that somebody on this side ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 78 ovzsco | 4 activities, Jeffrey Epstein took the Fifth as the o1302 1 of the room jumped up? or2003 2 phrase, you know, to be more precise. He ov3025 | 2 MR. SIMPSON: No, no, no, I'm not. or2a0s |= 3 exercised his right against compelled ov3028 3 MR. SCAROLA: Okay. Thank you. or2e0 4 self-incrimination and refused to answer the arso2 «4 MR. SIMPSON: I'm not. or200 =§ question, which since these were civil cases, azo2 «5 MR. SCAROLA: And I appreciate that. aren 6 indicated to me, since he was being represented onso27 6 MR, SIMPSON: And I -- onze «7 by very experienced legal counsel, that there was or3029 7 MR. SCAROLA: And you do acknowledge that orate 8 more than an insignificant risk of incriminating ors030 «8 Mr. Dershowitz has repeatedly been jumping up in or2zere 9 himself if he answered that. ars033 9 the middle of testimony, correct? o12920 10 And so Jeffrey Epstein now had taken the or3o3s 10 MR. SIMPSON: That's -- he just got up and orze23 11 Fifth. And one of the things that I was aware of ovse37 11 came over to me. That's the only time I'm aware ovza26 12 having been involved in, you know, civil orsose 12 of, because I'm ~~ I'm looking at the witness, 0120-28 13 litigation and criminal litigation in other or3041 13 but he did just do that, and I will pass notes. or2a30 14 cases, was that once somebody refuses to answer a orsoas 14 We won't get up. or2932 15 question like, you know: Do you know orsoas 15 MR. SCAROLA: Okay. Well, I will tell you -- or2e3s 16 Mr. Dershowitz? And they take the Fifth on that, orao4s 16 MR. SIMPSON: I'm not going to take time from or2e3e 17 that you're then entitled to draw what's called or3zoa7 17 this. o12040 18 an adverse inference. You can -- you can infer orsoa? 18 MR. SCAROLA: I will -- I will, for the or2e42 19 that, well, if they answered that question, they arzo42 19 record, as an officer of the court, represent ot29-44 20 would have -- or30s1 20 that there have been multiple times during the ar2eaa 24 MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. ors0ss 21 course of Professor Cassell’s deposition when or2044 22 MS. McCAWLEY: Yeah, I want to make an orsoss 22 Alan Dershowitz has jumped up in the middle of or2984 23 objection here -- orator 23 the testimony and excitedly whispered in your onze 24 MR, SCAROLA: Pardon me. Could you please or3to7 24 ear. ov2947 25 try to control your client -- orator 25 You may not have realized it because you were ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 (954) 331-4400 10/20/2015 01:07:28 PM Page 77 to 80 of 151 20 of 38 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010829