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117 119 022501 1 know, law enforcement agencies in those countries, you oz2zes1 1 Mr. Dershowitz was trying to do the same 022504 2 know, in England, or law enforcement agencies in this o22683 2 thing and it is a difficult situation. oz2s07 «3 = country, through -- through power that, you know, o226s5 3 A. All right. ozsto 4 somebody at that level, fifth I think in line to the o2zess 4 Q. So I was not trying to make light of the e215 5 British Throne, would have, you know, presumably access | 0oz2sss 5 questions I'm asking you. 02217 §& to levers of power that other people might not -- might ozzess 6 A. Right. This involves sexual abuse -- o221 7 not have. o226s8 7 Q. LT understand that. o22522 8 And so that is the ~- I believe is the -- the o22r0 8 A. -- of multiple girls. 022522 9 information that I had available to me on December 30th | c22702 9 Q. lunderstand that. Your -- I understand the 022832 10 involving not just Virginia Roberts, but the entire sex oz2704 10 allegations that have been made. 022835 11 trafficking organization. ozaros 14 A. And your side keeps attacking these girls. o2zzsa7 12 Q. Okay. And that -- just to clarify again, it oz2700 12 + =That's why it's emotional for me. ozz8a2 13 exhausts your refreshed recollection as to both the ozartz 13 Q. That -- that part is not true, but I will ask 022848 14 information you were relying on as to the allegations o2a7-15 14 questions -- o2.25:48 15 about Virginia Roberts, and as to the allegations about oats 15 A. I believe that part is true. 022552 16 other minors; is that right? oza716 16 THE WITNESS: I would like to take a break. ozess3a 17 A. Correct. czars 17 I'm sorry. 02:25:53 18 Q. So I don't have to ask you separately about o22r19 18 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the video ozasss 19 Roberts? ozar21 19 record, 4:01 p.m. ozesss 20 A. That's right. No, and I gave you a heads-up, oz3041 20 (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) ozasss 24 that was going to be a long answer. o2041 24 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the video oz26.00 22 Q. You made Mr. Dershowitz look like an amateur. 0230.47 22 record, 4:04 p.m. 022603 23 If I could -- 022047 23 (Thereupon, Kenneth A. Sweder, Esquire, Alan 0226.03 24 MR. SCAROLA: I'm sorry. Like a what? o23047 24 M. Dershowitz and Carolyn Cohen left the 0226-04 25 MR. SIMPSON: Amateur, at the long answers. 023048 25 proceedings.) ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 (954) 331-4400 418 420 o22607 4 THE WITNESS: Well, I wasn't trying to -- let oz3048 1 MR, SCAROLA: The record should reflect that ozze08 2 me be clear. I want the record to be clear: I ozsoso 2 Mr. and Mrs. Dershowitz have -- are no longer oz 3 was not trying to filibuster. You asked me a 023082 3 present, 022612 4 very direct question which was: I want to know o23083 4 MR. SIMPSON: Correct. oze1s = 5 everything that was in your memory on December ozsoss § MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. ozze17 6 30th, and as you can tell, this was a very o2a0ss 6& BY MR. SIMPSON: 022620 7 important subject to me, and it's very important ozsoss «7 Q. Mr. Cassell, would you agree with me that 22621 8 to Miss Roberts, and I wanted to be ozar00 8 accusing someone -- ozze24 9 comprehensive. ozar03 | 9 MS. McCAWLEY: Oh, I'msorry. I just oz2625 10 And I gave you the opportunity to say, ozar04 10 realized that she stepped out to get water, I oz2626 11 let's -- let's have a narrower question, and -- oz3tos 11 believe. I didn't ask. I'm sure it's o22628 12 but you wanted the broad question and that's why ozat08 12 probably okay -- 022630 13 I did this, so I wasn't... ozatca 13 THE WITNESS: It's all right. 022630 14 BY MR. SIMPSON: ozsios 14 MR. SCAROLA: It's all right. 022630 15 Q. Mr. Cassell, I apologize for attempting humor ovat 15 MR. SIMPSON: That's okay with you? 02:26:38 16 in this intense situation. ozs 16 THE WITNESS: Sure, ozzeas 17 A. This is very important to me. ozatt1 17 BY MR. SIMPSON: oz2635 18 Q. I--I-I- czar 18 Q. Would you agree with me that accusing a ozz6e38 19 A. This is not -- this is not something that I 023117 19 person of -- an adult of engaging in sex with a minor is oz2639 20 find funny. oza24 20 a serious accusation? oze640 21 Q. And -- well, it -- like I say, it's very o2zai26 24 A. Sure. 022643 22 important to Mr. Dershowitz, or Professor Dershowitz ozat27 22 Q. And would you agree with me that the cause of 022645 23 also. He was trying to answer questions. I'm not oza:33 23 Victims’ Rights is harmed and not furthered by false o22647 24 questioning that you were trying to answer my question, 023120 24 allegations of sexual abuse? o22649 25 and 1 appreciate it. ozarat 25 A. Sure. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 (954) 331-4400 10/20/2015 01:07:28 PM Page 117 to 120 of 151 30 of 38 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010839