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00:34:42 00:34:46 00:34:47 00:34:49 00:34:52 00:34:57 00:35:01 an An Pp © hw 00:35:04 © 00:38:08 ooas03 10 ooss11 11 ooas1s 12 ooss:ia 13 ooas22 14 cos2 15 00:36:31 16 ooss:3s 17 oo3s30 18 oo3sa1 19 oo3505 20 oossas 24 oo3sa0 22 00:35:52 23 oosssa 24 oosss7 25 00:35:59 00:36:03 00:36:05 00:36:08 00:36:12 00:36:15 00:36:18 00:36:22 Oo AON A OH & WO DPD - 00:36:26 00:36.29 10 oose33 114 003638 12 003642 13 oo:3646 14 oo364e 15 co3600 16 003654 17 oo:36:55 18 003658 19 ov3703 20 oo3703 21 oos70s 22 oo37.08 23 coa71s 24 coaria 25 188 enforcement agency to provide flight logs relevant to this investigation. And rather than providing all the flight logs that were available at that time, he appears to have provided flight logs that went from January 2005 through September 2005, knowing that he appeared on an October -- I may be off by one month here -- but on an October 2005 flight log. So that, to my mind, had indicated that Professor Dershowitz was providing selective information to law enforcement. Those concerns -- this is, you know, there's -~ there's more to it. The other problem was that the flight logs that Mr. Dershowitz had produced were inconsistent with the flight logs that Dave Rogers, one of Mr. Epstein's pilots had, so there were now inconsistencies on these flight logs. And it seemed to be -- it seemed to me to be surprising that during the period of time where Virginia Roberts was involved, Mr. Dershowitz was not appearing on those flight logs. Now, it is possible, I suppose, and that seems to be Mr. Dershowitz's position, that the reason he's not on those flight logs is that he was not on those flights. But given all of the information -- and I won't take your time this morning to go through -- all ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 189 the information I had about this international sex trafficking organization, it seemed to me that it was also possible that the sex trafficking organization, which was represented by, you know, vast resources and the ability to produce witnesses and documents and other information that would -- would cover up the existence of this organization, had gone through the flight logs and had made necessary alterations to -~- to conceal the scope of -- of the -- of the operation. In addition to that, when I started to compare the Dave Rogers' flight logs with the David -- excuse me. I am going to get a drink. When I started to compare the -- oh, I'm sorry. I should be looking at the camera. When I started -- when I started to compare the Dave Rogers’ flight logs with the Dershowitz -- which we call them the Dershowitz flight logs, which were the logs that he had produced, there were inconsistencies, and so it struck me as odd that there were these inconsistent flight logs. The other thing that I noticed is, I don't believe that Dave Rogers was the exclusive pilot for Mr. Epstein. And so I had a concern -- excuse me. I'm sorry. 1 had a concern that the flight logs that -- ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 00:37:16 00:37:20 00:37:22 00:37:25 00:37:27 00:37:32 00:37:35, ON Aah OH = 00:37:37 00:37:40 9 00:37:42 1 0 00:37:45 1 1 00:37:48 1 2 00:37:52 1 3 00:37:54 14 oos7ss 15 00:37:56 4 6 00:37:59 4 7 00:38:02 1 8 oo3803 19 00:38:03 20 00:38:07 21 00:38:08 22 00:38:12 23 00:38:16 24 00:38:19 25 00:38:22 00:38:25 00:38:25 00:38:28 00:38:31 00:38:37 00:38:38 00:38:42 oOnN OO PO RH 00:38:45 00:38:47 10 00:38:49 11 003852 12 003054 13 oosass 14 oo3a50 15 00;39.03 16 oo3e-08 17 0030.08 18 00:39:13 19 oo:3016 20 003920 21 00:39:22 22 003926 23 00:30:20 24 oo:3031 25 190 that covered the jet were not just the David Rogers' flight logs, but there should be flight logs for other pilots which were not apparently being produced. And so, in light of all that, what I was seeing was a -~ a production of flight logs that was incomplete. And then I started to hear from Mr. Dershowitz that, well, these records prove conclusively I couldn't have done that. And I knew to an absolute certainty, that the records were inconsistent and inaccurate; and for somebody who had apparently carefully produced these records, to represent that these conclusively prove that he wasn't on the flights, seemed to me to be inaccurate information. So that was -~- those were the kinds of things I was thinking about. Q. ‘Mr. Cassell, is it your testimony -~ MR, SIMPSON: Well, first of all, I move to strike the nonresponsive portion of the answer. BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Mr. Cassell, is it your testimony that you have sufficient information to conclude and allege that Professor Dershowitz falsified documents and gave falsified documents to a prosecuting authority? A. It is my belief that Professor Dershowitz ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 191 provided incomplete production to law enforcement agencies. Q. Is it your testimony under oath that you have sufficient information to allege that Professor Dershowitz intentionally provided false information to a prosecuting authority? A. It is my position that he provided incomplete information to a prosecuting authority and inaccurate information to a prosecuting authority. Now, as to precisely what his state of mind was when he was producing the incomplete and inaccurate information, that remains to be this -- you know, that was one of the topics that I was hoping could have been covered in -- in the depositions here in the last two days, but unfortunately, there wasn't sufficient time. Q. Let me ask it a different way. You -- you gave a long answer in which you described reasons you apparently believe that these flight logs were not merely incomplete, but that someone had false -- falsified them. And did I understand you correctly? MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. The question that was asked was limited to the time period prior to December 30th. 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