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00:63:00 00:53:02 00:53:07 00:53:10 00:53:12 00:53:12 00:53:28 ON Oa mh ON a 00:53:30 wo 00:59:34 00:53:34 10 oosa.34 14 005330 12 ooss39 13 oosaso 14 005343 15 005347 16 oos3a7 17 005347 18 oosas2 19 oossss 20 oosas7 21 00:53:57 22 oosé0t 23 oosa0s 24 cosas 25 00:54:17 00:54:20 00:54:23 0:54:25 00:54:27 00:54:29 00:54:32 ON Ooh WD = 00:54:34 © 00:54:37 00:54:37 | 0 00:54:39 41 1 00:54:39 12 005439 13 oosaat 14 oosaas 15 cosas 16 00547 17 oo:5a4s 18 oosast 19 oo:54s5 20 005453 21 oosase 22 0:56:02 23 o0ss06 24 ooss0s 25 10/20/2015 01:08:15 PM 204 BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Before Wednesday of this week, you had none of the information that you just described about Professor Dershowitz's testimony, correct? A. Correct. Q. I'm trying to look at my notes here of your long answer, but one thing you indicated that -- was the fact that Professor Dershowitz gave long answers is somehow indicative of false answers or perjury -- MR. SCAROLA: That is -- BY MR. SIMPSON: QQ. -- is that right? MR. SCAROLA: That is an absolute mischaracterization of the statement that Professor Cassell made. He did not refer to the length of the answers, but rather their nonresponsiveness. BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Let me -- let me ask a different question. Go back to the flight logs themselves. A. Okay. Q. My initial question that got us going down this line was: Isn't it true that the flight logs themselves support Professor Dershowitz's testimony that he was never on a plane with Virginia Roberts, the face ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 205 of the flight logs support that proposition? A. The face of the flight logs for the relevant period of time, we can call it the hot period of time or whatever you want, did not reveal the presence of Mr. Dershowitz on those flights, yes. Q. Okay. So during the period -- well, actually, there's no flight log that shows Virginia Roberts and Professor Dershowitz on the same airplane, correct? A. That's my understanding, yes. QQ. And -- MR. SCAROLA: By name. You're -- you're -- MS. McCAWLEY: And it -~ MR. SCAROLA: -- asking whether she was there identified by name? BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. To your knowledge, isn't it correct that there is no flight log that's been produced in this case by any party that reflects Professor Dershowitz and Virginia Roberts on the same plane, as you read the flight log? MR. SCAROLA: I'm sorry. Are you asking whether those same names appear on the flight log together? MR. SIMPSON: My question, I think, is ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 00.55:08 00:55:08 0:55:08 00:55:11 00:55:12 00:55:12 00:55:14 On OG mh & bh «a 00:55:15, 00:55:17 9 00:55:21 1 0 00:55:23 1 1 00:55:24 1 2 00:55:26 1 3 00:55:33 1 4 00:55:39 1 5 oossaa 16 00:55:47 1 7 00:55:50 1 8 00:55:54 1 9 00:55:58 20 90:56:02 21 00:56:03 22 00:56:04 23 00:56:08 24 00:56:08 25 00:56:08 00:56:14 00:56:14 00:56:17 00:56:19 00:56:24 00:56:22 On Oak WO HD = 00:56:24 wo 00:56:25 vose2e 10 vose20 11 0086.22 12 onse3s 13 oosess 14 ooseso 15 ooses7 16 oos7os 17 oos710 18 oos713 19 oos714 20 oos7ts 21 oosr-16 22 008716 2S o0s719 24 00:57:20 25 Page 204 to 207 of 335 206 perfectly clear. BY MR, SIMPSON: Q. My question, Mr. Cassell, is: You reviewed the flight logs, correct? A. Correct. Q. You reviewed them in some detail, correct? A. Correct. Q. Is there any entry on those flight lines -- logs that you read as putting Professor Dershowitz and Miss Roberts on the same plane? A. No. Q. And so your testimony about questions about the completeness and accuracy of those flight logs goes to whether the logs are -- let me rephrase that. The answer that you gave about your question as -- your views as to the completeness of the flight logs and whether they may have been changed in some ways, goes to whether those logs are conclusive, not whether they, in fact, support Professor Dershowitz's testimony that he was not on a plane with Virginia Roberts? MR. SCAROLA: I'm going to object to the form of the question as vague and ambiguous. I don't understand it. THE WITNESS: And I won't give a long answer, ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (8954) 331-4400 207 but I -- I think, as I previously indicated, you can't just look at the face of these documents without -- with -- you know, against the context of an international sex trafficking ring that's trying to cover up what it's doing. You can't just look and documents and assume that they are 100 percent accurate without that -- having that context in mind. BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. And so am I right, that on the face of the flight logs, there's nothing showing Virginia Roberts and Professor Dershowitz on the same plane? A. That's correct. Q. And -- goon. And so doI understand correctly that your position is that the flight logs may not be complete or may have been changed, but you do not dispute, that on their face, they support Professor Dershowitz's testimony? MR. SCAROLA: Objection. MS. McCAWLEY: Objection. MR. SCAROLA: Compound. THE WITNESS: Could you just aggregate that? BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. You follow the objections very well. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 14 of 46 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010854