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Q. Okay. You felt that it furthered her legal break. I appreciate that. Q. Okay. MR. SCAROLA: Could you just read back the 02:58:26 03:04:31 02:58:30 interests to specify American politicians, powerful 03:04:32 02:58:34 business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known 03:04:32 02:88:38 prime minister and other world leaders; that was your ~~ 03:04:34 last question for me? I just want to orient you -- you believe that furthered her legal interest? A. Yes. Q. Did you also anticipate that that would 02:58:42 02:58:43 03:04:37 (Thereupon, a portion of the record was read by the reporter.) MR. SCAROLA: Yeah, I didn't I think the ososas 9 answer was -- 03:05:33 4 2 3 4 030437 | 5 myself as to where we are. Thank you. 6 02:58:43 7 8 ON OO & & NH 02:58:47 titilate the Press, so to speak, that there would be a 03:05:33 o2sea2 9 lot of speculation on who these people are? o2ses2 10 A. That wasn't the -- that wasn't the focus a30534 10 THE WITNESS: I guess I was mid-sentence, so osos:ss 14 think I will just stick with the same word, o2ssss 11 of the -~- those comments, no. ozsass 12 Q. You said it wasn't the focus. Did you 03.0533 12 preposterous. And one -- one thing that occurred ozs867 13 realize it would happen? 030530 13 to me during the break, in the context of this oasase 14 A. Sure. I mean, this was a case that had 03:05:42 14 case, is that there had been allegations that o2so02 15 heen already - this litigation had been going on at o30544 15 Epstein was part of the -- the sex trafficking 026902 16 that point for seven years and lots of people were osos:ar 16 organization, had video cameras mounted oaseoa 17 following it. This is -~ this case is one of the most o3os49 17 throughout many of his -- his mansions. And so, 025907 18 egregious examples of a violation of Crime Victims' o3oss2 18 whereas a young woman could say, or a young girl 02:59:11 19 Rights in the history of this country. ososss 19 could say, look, I was a victim of sex abuse, o25013 20 And so against that context, yes, there were 03.0558 20 people would attack her; people wouldn't believe 025014 21 going to be people interested in every word that was o3:0600 24 her, that unless she had, you know, corroborating 028016 22 going into this pleading. Whether we had gone more 03:06:02 22 evidence, people would say, well, look, it didn't o2ss19 23 broadly or more narrowly than what we did, people were o30605 23 happen. 025923 24 going to be interested in this. oso60s 24 And so Epstein had managed to collect 02:59:23 25 Q. And as of December 30th of 2014, Miss Roberts ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 os06-08 25 apparently a lot of videotapes and other kinds of ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 293 295 o2se:31 ‘1 had the same ability to disclose who these individuals oseett 4 information that would have been -- given him the ozs: 2 were publicly, as did Jeffrey Epstein, correct, because o3s0c1s 2 ability to make the blackmail kinds of charges ozse33 3 she had personal knowledge of who they were? asoe1s «3 that the girls that he was trafficking would -- o2se40 4 A. She had the ability to speak the words, but, os0sis = 4 would not have had the ability to do. o2sea2 5 again, I think it's preposterous to say that a victim of oxes1a 5 BY MR. SIMPSON: o2seas 6 sex trafficking has the same power as the sex trafficker ox0620 6 Q. Mr. Cassell, didn't you testify yesterday o2seas 7 to disclose information. 030622 % that any videotapes from Mr. Epstein’s house had been o2se51 8 For example, Virginia Roberts could be o30s27 8 destroyed? o2s0s2 9 attacked, and I think as we were talking about ox0628 9 A. I--when I used the word "destroyed," I o2s0s4 10 yesterday, we have seen evidence of the kind of attack 030630 10 probably should have been more precise. They had been ozsos7 11. that powerful people can mount against the victims of 03.0632 11 concealed from law enforcement, is what I meant. That 3000 12 sex trafficking. So to say that the young women in sex 030635 12 when Palm Beach Police Department went up to the Epstein 0300.04 13 trafficking schemes have the same power as their 03.0637 13 mansion, they found surveillance cameras and other 030007 14 traffickers to do this ~~ I'm sorry. I'm going to have 030641 14 cameras. I can't remember exactly where the cameras o3s:0011 15 to take a break. 030643 15 were, but they found surveillance cameras, and when they as:oo12 16 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the video 030646 16 looked for the tapes associated with those cameras, I oso 17 record, 11:32 a.m. 30650 17 used the word "destroyed"; and as I say, I probably o30a14 18 (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) 030650 18 should have said they were missing. And so they were 030414 19 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the video 03.0852 19 never able to locate those -~ those missing videotapes. 030420 20 record, 11:36 a.m. o306ss 20 Q. Soas of December 30th of 2014, to your 03:0¢24 21 BY MR. SIMPSON: 030701 24 knowledge, there were no videotapes available? 03:04:27 22 Q. Had you finished your answer, Mr. Cassell? 030703 22 A. There were no videotapes available to law 030428 23 A. Ithink I had. 030706 23 enforcement or to Brad and his pro bono crime victim 030428 24 Q. Okay. 030709 24 attorneys to help document our case. We were trying to ox0420 25 A. Thank you. Thank you for letting me take a oa0712 25 get those and we are continuing to try to get those, ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 (954) 331-4400 10/20/2015 01:08:15 PM Page 292 to 295 of 335 36 of 46 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010876