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10 fd. 12 [3 14 15 16 i) 18 wife) 20 21 22 23 24 25 141 H3vlgiu2 Ms. Giuffre has said there was a conspiracy involving all of these individuals. They're all going to say no, there wasn't. We'll have a trial on that and hear th vidence. But the compatibility of interests is, that team is against Ms. Giuffre. Those co-conspirators are all working together to try to undercut the credibility of Ms. Giuffre. And of course they're all hoping that she will lose this trial, which they will then celebrate as a victory. Of course if Ms. Giuffre wins the trial, they will all suffer a defeat because her credibility in making these allegations will have been established. The final factor LiButti directs you to consider is the role in the underlying aspects of the litigation, and again, it's hard to imagine. I won't say they are the most important members of the conspiracy. Epstein is the most important member of the conspiracy, but the next most important, after Maxwell, who's the number two position, the next most important conspirator is Kellen and Marcinkova. I've used the expression before, it's kind of playing Hamlet without the ghost. We're going to be talking about a conspiracy without the conspirators in the case. We are trying to bring the conspirators here in front of the jury so that they can hear what the conspirators have to say when asked questions about what they were doing to Ms. Giuffre and what they were doing to similarly situated young girls. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011444