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10 fd. 12 [3 14 15 16 i) 18 wife) 20 21 22 23 24 25 H3vlgiu2 145 introduce or (B) adversely inference that are made in 2015 that had nothing to do with any alleged course of or in furtherance of a conspiracy. Any alleged conspiracy would have terminated years ago by operation of many different rules and law. So Mr. Cassell's entire conspiracy theory predicate to this has nothing to do with the four LiButti factors. And when we there is really zero Honor. First of all these individuals -- relationship is, not happen in 2000 or 2001. course of this litigation, talk about the Lil Butti factors, you know, evidence that's been presented to your , the relationship now, in 2017, between because that is what the controlling some relationship that happened or didn't It is the relationship during the not some other litigation. And indeed, there is no relationship between these folks. At best, for a brief period, of time, worked in different capacities for Mr. that brief period of time is more than a brief period of time, these folks Epstein, at best, and ten years ago. The other part of this that Mr. Cassell overlooks or doesn't want to talk about is what really is at issue -- and this relates to this close present relationship -- does this witness have some reason to protect Ms. that's really the inquiry here. Maxwell. I mean, Is the witness invoking her, in this case, privilege against self-incrimination because it's going to have some benefit to Ms. Maxwell? Well, there is no benefit to Ms. Maxwell for the invocation of the Fifth SOUTHI FERN DISTRICT R (212) 805- EH PORT ERS, P.C. 0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011448