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10 fd. 12 [3 14 15 16 i) 18 wife) 20 21 22 23 24 25 151 H3VOGIU3 already taken -- MR. CASSELL: Yes. THE COURT: -- or by the witnesses being compelled to come and invoke and so on? I think we know how that's going to work out. 7 MR. CASSELL: Right. I think in this case it's going to be through the deposition that's been recorded. With Mr. Epstein, we're going to bring him here live because we've been able to reach him by subpoena, but these two have been difficult to reach by subpoena, that's why we've taken their deposition. And so Mr. Epstein will testify live, he would invoke, Nadia Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen, the deposition has already been taken. And in our —- THI | COURT: What do you do about the statement that counsel just made about the impropriety of the questions? MR. CASSELL: Right. So you can't just say, hey, is the moon made of green cheese and they take the Fifth. You can't put that in, and Booty recognizes that. There has to be independent evidence that supports each question that's asked. And so what we've done in our brief, if you look at page 17 of our initial paper -- if I can just illustrate one. r THE COURT: No, that's all right. That's fine. I get the point. T MR. CASSELL: Right. But I think this is a fair point SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011454