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1 their book of business. This being said, J] was_ 1 Q. For the most part. 2 bringing in legitimate lawyers to form legitimate 2 What wasn't fronted by the Jaw firm? 3 practice groups to practice legitimate Jaw, having 3 A. | recall there being a couple of agreements 4 nothing to do with the Ponzi scheme. 4 that various tort lawyers had with certain clients 5 Q. During the year 2009, were there any, to _ 5 where they were going to assist in helping to pay the 6 your knowledge, any big settlements of any cases at : 6 costs. Al] the other costs would have been paid by 7 RRA? | 7 the law firm, both through legitimate and illegitimate 8 A. To the best of my recollection, no. We had [ 8 means. | 9 adismal year. i 9 Q. So when you say by "illegitimate means,” 10 Q. The year 2009 was just dismal across the 210 where would the illegitimate means money come from? 11 board? : 11 A. It came from the Ponzi scheme, and all the 12 A. Some people did better than others, but yes, : 12 tentacles of the Ponzi scheme, other illegal activity. 13 overall it was for a firm of 70 lawyers, it was i 13 Q. Such as? 14 ~~ dismal. : 14 A. Things | was doing with law enforcement, 18 Q. So there were no big wins coming into the #15 things ] was doing in politics, things that ] was 16 firm as far as a financial windfall other than from : 16 doing with organized crime, things ] was doing with 17 your other businesses? £17 _ politicians, judges, other lawyers, bankers, business f18 A. The only significant capital coming into the : 18 people, things of that nature, I'm sure there's more. £19 firm was money my co-conspirators and | were stealing. ; 19 Q. Do you recall if any of these Epstein cases 20 Q. Was there any particular practice group that 220 underwent significant investigation while the cases 21. you can remember that had a particularly non-dismal i 21. were at your firm? 22 year in 2009? $22 A. I'd be guessing. ] don't remember. 23 A. Mr. Nurik had a good year. : 23 Q. There was a meeting in 2009, July of 2009, p24 Q. Do you recall what the gross revenue was 124 andit appears from the e-mai] communications that it 25 from legitimate sources in 2009? _25 was for everyone in the firm to attend and it was 4 d, A. It was somewhere between eight and i 1 regarding the Epstein case. In fact, there was an 2 $10 million, probably right around the nine million | 2 _ Epstein conference room that was reserved for it. 3 mark. 2 3 Were you preseni at that meeting? 4 Q. Do you know what your -- : 4 A. I may have been. 5 A. On its best day. : 5 Q. Do you recall? 6 Q. What was your overhead for salaries in 2009, : 6 A. ] don't recall one way or the other. 7? do you recall? : 7 Q. You don't recall it. 8 A. I don't have a clue. 8 Do you recall anything about the Epstein 9 Q. Was it more than you brought in 9 case in July of 2009? 10 legitimately? ' 10 A. | donot. Do you have something that might 11 A. With what I was paying in salaries, J'm -- J #11 refresh my recollection? 12 mean, I'd be guessing. If it wasn't more than, it was 12 MS. HADDAD: Can we just take a five-minute 13 certainly close to it. £13 break right now? 14 Q. That's just salary, that's not talking about | 14 THE WITNESS: Sure. 15 anything else, rent, overhead, things of that nature? $15 MR. GOLDBERGER: Thank you. 16 A. That's correct. 16 MS. HADDAD: Thanks. 17 Q. Who was paying for the investigations of the : 17 [Short recess taken.] 18 cases that were going on in 2009, the deposition '18 BY MS. HADDAD: 19 costs, the filing of complaints, and things of that 19 Q. Scott, 1 was asking you before we took the 20 nature? Where did that money come from from your {20 _ break about a meeting with respect to the Epstein 21 firm? [2 1 cases. There was a 159-page privilege log filed, 22 A. It varied from case to case. 122 which I'm sure you don't have and are not aware of. 23 Q. For the tort group? : 23 But in it there are many, many e-mails to both 24 A. It was fronted by the law firm for the most #24 attorneys at RRA, yourself, and Mr. Nurik regarding 25 part. l2 5 the Epstein litigation. And all this resolved in July Page 47 Page 49 13 (Pages 46 to 49) FRIEDMAN, LOMBARDI & OLSON 305-371-6677 5ed93085-0554-447f-bcdd-ca2d8fe94 df HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_017502