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A. If you are including within that me walking past Brad in the hal] and saying, "Hey, Brad how are you? How is the Epstein stuff going?” Then it's very likely that | talked to him about it in that manner. But I have no specific recollection one way or the other as to having any lengthy conversations with Mr. Edwards about the case. ] had a co-conspirator who was deeply involved in the Ponzi scheme that ] could go to to get any information ] wanted, Mr. Adler. ] didn't need to go to Mr. Edwards. Q. So if you had a question of your co-conspirator, Russell Adler, about the Epstein case, you would go ask Adler and would Adler always have the answer for you or would he say he would get you the answer? A. Both. Q. When he didn't have the answer, do you know who he was getting the answer from? MR. SCAROLA: Objection, predicate. THE WITNESS: J don't know who he was getting it from and ] may have contacted other people in the office who were working on the file to ask. J may have asked Mr. Jenne, ] may have asked Ms. Holmes, ] many have asked a whole myriad of people. Page 110 BY MR. GOLDBERGER: Q. So Ms. Holmes was working on the Epstein cases? A. It's my refreshed recollection from seeing one of those e-mails that she must have been. Q. Okay. And Ms. Holmes you said was a former federal law enforcement officer, was that your testimony? A. Yes. Q. You don't know whether she was FBI or IRS, correct? A. J don't remember. Q. Okay. And upon reflection, do you know whether she was hired without your say-so based on what Mr. Jenne told you or did you meet with her? A. No, | actually -- 1 remember meeting with Ms. Holmes. Q. Okay. What do you remember about that meeting? A. | remember talking about her relative who was a judge. ] remember her telling me about her time in law enforcement. J just don't remember which agency. Q. Did she tell you why she left law enforcement? sate Orta owe WMH vag RAUL et eg ys ee ae ne ana meeceraLeenS A aR Ea ep aR ea fam) a) 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ) ) 1 2 2 4 5 1 il 1 1 pl al a1 1 a1 fl 2 ,2 h2 2 £2 2 eae acuan ae pm gaa SSSA NORE SEU Ne ena eo a pa ett a SVEN AMER PEGASO TN PSS UTE A. She may have, | don't recal] one way or the other. Q. Did you ever ask Ms. Holmes to use any of her prior contacts in law enforcement to assist you in the Ponzi scheme to get information for you? A. The question is kind of convoluted because the way you are asking it, it seems like you are intimating that Ms. Holmes knew. I may have asked Ms. Holmes to get me information that ] was going to utilize with my co-conspirators in the Ponzi scheme, but Ms. Holmes did not know that there was a Ponzi scheme going on. Q. All right. So you may have asked Ms. Holmes to try and get some information for you from her contacts in Jaw enforcement, but it's your testimony, and ] don't dispute it, it's your testimony that she knew nothing about the Ponzi scheme, correct? A. ] may have, ] may not have. | do not remember and she absolutely knew nothing about the Ponzi scheme. Q. Okay. Now, we talked about Brad Edwards getting paid and the multilevel ways in which you determined what a person's salary was. Do you know whether Brad Edwards got any bonuses along the way once the Epstein case was used as part of the Ponzi Page 112 scheme? A. He did not. Q. So he was -- A. If he got a bonus, it was something he eamed. Q. Did you make a determination as to what that bonus would be? A. Ifhe got a bonus, ] would have been instrumental in determining it. You can determine if he got a bonus by looking at our financial records, 1 don't have an independent recollection one way or the other. Q. So you don't know whether he got a bonus at all, correct? A. That's correct. Q. Sol assume that if he got a bonus you wouldn't know whether it occurred before or after the Epstein case was used as part of the Ponzi scheme? A. 1] don't know if he got a bonus, which means ] wouldn't know the time frame. Q. But we would learn -- you are instructing us, we would learn that by looking at when the Epstein case was brought into the Ponzi scheme and we learn that by looking at these -- what was the group that it was used to pitch to? Page 113 29 (Pages 110 to 113) FRIEDMAN, LOMBARDI & OLSON 305-371-6677 5ed93085-0554-447f-bcdd-ca2d8fe941 df HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_017518