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From: jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 11:59 PM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: Re: how does one assign a "value " to money? i= it any different? 2. probablities and cat theory =C2 . allow abstractions- such as morphism of shapes which a=e free of the input output module formulations. and algebra, = I guess you could say topology vs typology )::. =C2 I propose that one of the reasons you do not yet see its benef=ts are more the shortcomings of my brief explanations th=n those of the theory. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Noam Chomsky > wrote: Thinking about it, but I don'= see how once can assign a value to a sentence (token or type or looked at=even more abstractly, say the proposition expressed) in isolation from contexts, and value will vary all over the map as contex=s vary. Take the standard example "the cat is on the mat, =80 typically valueless, but not if the information conveyed is a signal=to set off nuclear weapons that will destroy the world. Generalizes. On 3, there is a place for probabilit=es in the study of use of language (e.g., Charles Yang's integrati=n of UG and learning theory in study of acquisition), but there is no indication of how they might enter into I-language. =he concepts don't seem relevant. As for category theory, it makes sens= to appeal to it if the results obtained at this level of abstraction have=implications for the particular system under investigation. I don't see how it would be true in this case= Would we, say, learn more about the roots and implications of the c=py theory of displacement if we abstracted to category theory? I don=E2 t see how. I'll ask Valeria if she =99s gotten the book yet. Sounds like a great evening.<=span> Noam From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 3:45 AM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: EFTA_R1_01625869 EFTA02499470 1. the terms - value, money ,and currency- ne=d definition. separate and apart from an intrinsic worth to an individual=C2 , the hungry one . or the Indian tooth manufacturer, =AO either can actually be consumed or merely stand as a store of value or medium of exchange. a piece of paper represe=ting either is the familiar form of money, . a dollar bill.. =s you know the US version used to say the convertible into som=thing. ( gold silver ) . now it says trust me. its worth one d=llar. . the trading of dollars is well known. =AO I wondered whether sentences ( concepts without being neces=arily written on paper. could be , looked at the same way. =AO some having intrinsic value and others being used as exchange. =AO I see no reason why not, does that set up an economics of sentences /concepts. . =C2 2 Of course I would love to talk to your=friend 3. With nothing more meaningful than sharing a=new tasty food with you that I have enjoyed.' think you might enjoy the to=te of a new math. I read your attached paper. I would suggest that the system of =nalysis suffers from the use of early twentieth century reason=ng , ie references to Merge. minimal computation ( the set notation =an be misleading ) or modules. I think a system and notation that might , just might, help and add interesting insights is -categ=ry theory. fresher, more useful then either the former p=pular set theory or group theory of the 20th century . =here for example mc would be contained in a larger category. (=your Merge would fall into a subcategory of operations that were a combination =f associative , transitive operations in a space etc . One th=n looks at the spaces of probabilities and realizes that some are ju=t much more probable than others . nothing more. these probabilities generate shapes only as a result of their=C2 statistical ensembles. - the age old study of soap bubbl=s suffered from the same handicap.. the shapes were analyzed =y attempting to follow the mc rule. ie containing the mo=t volume for the least area. ( a broader category ) now i would propos= that the shape merely represents its most probable shape- not=ing more. given the statistical space. for ex, things on=the membrane , free to move but the shape not changing. I un=erstand that language is not an input output system like vision. Shape= are not input /output devices but have very strong properties , rel=tionships etc. there are mappings onto those spaces. =AO the old version of functions expanded ei using more than only mat=ematical terms. mappings are not required to be linear. ie grammatical sentences would be represented as coherent shapes. =ts very beautiful math. Had dinner with woody and he wanted to know if valer=a had gotten the book he suggested as in hindsight thought that he s=ould have sent her a copy and not merely forwarded the title. =y side still hurts from laughing for the past 2 hours. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Noam Chomsky <mailto >= wrote: If I understand what you're s=ying, I agree. If I want to buy something, the gold is more valuable (thanks to conventions of the social order). If I'm hungry, =he food has higher value than the gold (independent of such conventions). =C2 But I'm not sure I see what follows. From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:44 AM To: Jeffrey Epstein; Noam Chomsky Subject: there is gold in the refrigerator. there=is food in the refriegerator.. , 1. =oes either the physical gold or food have more intrinsic value.? =AO. depends . is the value the same to both owner and , consumer.? depends, 2 EFTA_R1_01625870 EFTA02499471 need , time f=ame ? if so how does one calculate it. what if there i= more than two players. 2 exchangability ( first=order derivative ) not the thing itself but what one can do wi=h it. - it depends 3. the piece of pape or hunk of useless metal t=at "states" there is gold in the fridg ? is th=t money. ?you get the idea does there have to be actual gold =n the fridge for it to be accepeted by others of something of "=alue". ( depends on trust and belief system ). yesterdays question - If the se=tence " there is gold in the fridge " is either spoken or =ritten . does that change its value? . buyer, seller, trust ,b=lief system ? please no=e The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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