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310 | Notes to pages 38-48 cHapter 4 Thief 38 In Hawaii in 2012: Former Dell executive who requested anonymity because of company policy restricting Dell employees from discussing the Snowden case, interview with author. 38 “You're in a vaulted space”: Transcript of interview with Snowden in Moscow. Rusbridger and MacAskill, “I, Spy.” 39 “Law is a lot like medicine”: David Weigel, “Edward Snowden and Ron Paul Kick Off Libertarian Student Conference,” Bloomberg News, Feb. 13, 2015. For Ron Paul’s position on “secret government,” see http://www presstv.ir /Detail/2015/06/02/413952/US-Ron-Paul-CIA-NSA-secret-government. 39 “The [American] government”: Arundhati Roy, “Edward Snowden Meets Arundhati Roy and John Cusack,” Guardian, Nov. 28, 2015. 40 “fear and a false image”: Bamford, “Edward Snowden.” 40 Snowden was fully aware: Snowden in Moscow, e-mail interview with James Risen. Risen, “Snowden Says He Took No Secret Files to Russia.” 41 Physical Phatness: Lindsay Mills’s Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com /lindsay.mills.90/about. 42. the first known document: Ledgett revealed this in an interview with Vanity Fair. Burrough, Ellison, and Andrews, “Snowden Saga.” 42 “He stole the [NSA] test”: Snowden’s obtaining the NSA examination is described by Michael McConnell. See King, “Ex-NSA Chief Details Snowden’s Hiring at Agency, Booz Allen.” The extended video of the interview is at www .wsj.com. 42 “Tt was totally unrealistic”: NSA executive who requested anonymity, interview with author. 43 subsequently joking to a reporter: Bamford, “Edward Snowden.” CHAPTER 5 Crossing the Rubicon “What I came to feel”: Snowden quoted in Rusbridger and MacAskill, “I, Spy.” “was moving copies of that data”: Burrough, Ellison, and Andrews, “Snowden Saga.” 45 he later pointed out: Bamford, “Edward Snowden.” 45 Ledgett subsequently reported: Burrough, Ellison, and Andrews, “Snowden Saga.” 45 This theft was made: Michael Hayden, interview with author. 46 “Icrossed that line”: Burrough, Ellison, and Andrews, “Snowden Saga.” 46 “We're subverting our security”: Transcript of Snowden interview on PBS. James Bamford and Tim De Chant, “Edward Snowden on Cyber Warfare,” Nova, Jan. 8, 2015, www.pbs.org/wegbh/nova/next/military/snowden-transcript. 46 bragged to James Risen: Risen, “Snowden Says He Took No Secret Files to Russia.” 47 this counterculture is “tormented”: Shils, Torment of Secrecy. 47 “|The elites] know everything”: Roy, “Edward Snowden Meets Arundhati Roy and John Cusack.” 47 “What do you think”: Gellman, “Edward Snowden, After Months of NSA Rev- elations, Says His Mission’s Accomplished.” 48 violate U.S. espionage laws: Michael Hayden, interview with author. | | Epst_9780451494566_2p_all_rt.indd 310 ® HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_019798 9/30/16 e13.aM | |