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Alan Trounson, California's Dr. Stem Cell -- latimes.com Page 2 of 4 What we're doing is meaningful. Somebody with cancer may have a better treatment. Parkinson's patients might be in a clinical trial around 2016, 2017. Are Californians getting enough bang for their buck? I think we're way ahead of what people predicted. Nevertheless, it takes a lot of time to do this. | think we're hurrying carefully. What else? I'm intending to set up a network of stem cell clinics in California in the next couple of years, to make treatments available as clinical trials or as registered treatments for patients. I'm going to ask the [CIRM] board for about $70 million to get that set up. It will make California a go-to place for stem cell therapies. | want to make sure it's part of our medical fabric. An Oregon scientist reports that he has cloned human stem cell lines. Is Oregon doing something different from California? The one thing that's different is that we can't compensate women adequately for donating eggs [as a source for creating a particular type of stem cell]. We can pay for the cost of drugs but not for the time and inconvenience. So that really does limit the number of women who would like to donate eggs to research, and that's a handicap. I think it would be very useful to develop those cell lines. The words "cloning" and "human" together set off alarm bells for some people. [Under Proposition 71] we can't do any reproductive cloning. We can't do it and we shouldn't do it — none of us wants to do that — but we would like to make those cell lines. Is stem cell research highly competitive now, as it was in the 1980s, when you were beginning your work? | don't think it's very competitive at all. There's a little bit of competition between California and Harvard, but that will always be the case, I suspect. What's important with [California's] $3 billion is that it's taken away a lot of the silliness of the competition — that you hold your data and you don't show anyone and you wait until you [get it published] in a journal. In Australia, there's very few funds for this kind of work and so it's extremely competitive — you don’t know what others are doing even in the same laboratory. That's not the case in California. People are collaborating, and that’s why we're moving so fast because we work together. Scientists like to reach out to other scientists. Could embryonic stem cells become unnecessary because other cells can be just as adaptable? Maybe longer term. IPS cells have a very strong memory of what they were, whether they were a blood cell or a skin cell. Embryonic stem cells don't. We have to find out whether IPS cells can [really adapt] or whether they'll be poor relatives of the embryonic stem cell. Embryonic stem cells are being used for therapy, but IPS cells are being taken from patients with different diseases to interrogate those diseases. They're not therapeutic at this time. What surprises have you encountered? I'm surprised all the time. That you can actually create a cure for HIV/AIDS with stem cells — that's in clinical trials [in Denmark] now. That we found how to jump a skin cell toa pancreatic cell or a http://www. latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-0529-morrison-trounson-20| 305... 5/29/2013 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_029540