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1 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JUNE 16, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: EFTA00060971 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE EFTA00060972 3 1 MR. : The recorder is on. My 2 name is . I am a Senior 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 4 Justice Office of the Inspector General New 5 York Field Office. This interview is with 6 former Federal Bureau of Prisons correctional 7 officer . It is being conducted as 8 part of an official U.S. Department of Justice 9 Office of the Inspector General investigation. 10 Today's date is June 16, 2021 and the time is 11 4:38 p.m. This interview is being conducted by 12 telephone. Mr. is calling from telephone 13 number Also present is DOJ OIG 14 Special Agent . This interview is 15 being recorded by me, Senior Special Agent 16 Can everyone please 17 identify themselves for the record and spell 18 their last name. To start, I am DOJ OIG Senior 19 Special Agent 20 , can you go next? 21 MR. : I am DOJ OIG Special Agent 22 23 MR. : And Mr. 24 MR. 25 four is . October 27, 1980. . Last EFTA00060973 4 1 MR. : Perfect. 2 MR. : Is that good? 3 MR. : Thank you, sir. This DOJ 4 investigation concerns the overall review of 5 this investigation has to do with job 6 performance failure and security failure. 7 That's what we're looking into as the DOJ OIG. 8 And this is - as I mentioned - an official DOJ 9 investigation. You are being asked to provide 10 answers to our questions voluntarily. Will you 11 agree to a voluntary interview with us? 12 MR. : Yes. 13 MR. : Thank you, sir. We place 14 people under oath. It's going to be a little 15 bit different. But do you swear to tell the 16 truth and nothing but the truth during our 17 interview? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 MR. : Thank you, sir. And if 20 you don't understand any of my questions, 21 please feel free to ask me to rephrase and I'll 22 do my best to make it clear. As I mentioned, 23 I'm just going to go through a couple of 24 different interview questions in the beginning 25 just to kind of get your background. So you EFTA00060974 5 1 2 said you're down at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center right now, sir? 3 MR. : Yes, sir. 4 MR. : And do you have a current 5 home address? 6 MR. : Yes. It's in 7 MR. : And what's that now? 8 MR. : Uh 9 10 MR. : Thank you, sir. And 11 what's your date of birth? 12 MR. • • 13 MR. : And you said your last 14 four of your social security number were -? 15 MR. • • 16 MR. : Awesome. What's your 17 highest level of education? 18 MR. : Some college. 19 MR. : Where did you go to 20 college? 21 MR. : In 22 MR. , ohcool. When did 23 you do that? 24 MR. : I'm sorry? 25 MR. : When did you attend EFTA00060975 6 1 college in 2 MR. : Ooh. That was in 2007 I 3 believe. 4 MR. : Did you receive like an 5 associate degree or anything? 6 MR. : No just a couple credits here 7 and there. 8 MR. : Okay. And how long did 9 you work for the Bureau of Prisons? 10 MR. : From 2004 to 2006. Then I 11 left the Bureau and I came back in 2012 until I 12 left recently and was in 2020. 13 MR. : 2020? Okay so it was 14 over a year ago that you left. Or do you 15 remember the date? 16 MR. • Uh, I believe my last day was 17 On the books with - because I was on leave 18 - so on the books, technically with BOP my last 19 day was October 11 of 2020. 20 MR. : Okay. And who do you 21 currently work for? 22 MR. : Customs and Border Protection. 23 MR. : And when did you start 24 working for them? 25 MR. : October 13 of 2020. EFTA00060976 7 1 MR. : And that's the purpose of 2 your training down at the Federal Law 3 Enforcement Training Center is to get 4 officially trained by them? 5 MR. : Yes, sir. 6 MR. : Alright. Thank you, sir. 7 When you were last with the Bureau of Prisons, 8 what was your title and rank? 9 MR. : I was the lieutenant GS11 10 lieutenant. 11 MR. : Perfect. Okay. I'm just 12 going to ask you -. As mentioned, I'm going to 13 go over an interview report that was created. 14 Was it true that you were interviewed by both 15 the FBI and the OIG back in 2019 regarding the 16 Epstein matter? 17 MR. : I believe so yes. I know OIG 18 was there. I believe one of them was an agent 19 with the FBI and they had I think an there 20 as well. 21 MR. : Okay. Great. I'm going 22 to read you that report. And if you can just 23 stop me if anything is inaccurate and as 24 mentioned, I'm going to ask for you to fill in 25 a couple of the blanks. EFTA00060977 8 1 MR. : Okay. 2 MR. : It says: began 3 working for the BOP in 2004 at Fort Dix, New 4 Jersey. eventually ended his employment 5 with the BOP and then later returned to the BOP 6 as a lieutenant. has - so when did you 7 become a lieutenant? 8 MR. : Um, in 2016. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MR. : I had a couple different 11 positions before I became a lieutenant. So. 12 MR. : Okay. has since 13 been assigned to various other BOP facilities 14 including Florence and Englewood. began 15 working at the Manhattan Correction Center, 16 that's not correct though. It's the 17 Metropolitan Correctional Center. Correct? 18 MR. : Yes, sir. 19 MR. : Located at 150 Park Row, 20 New York, New York approximately one year ago. 21 Do you recall from when to when did you work at 22 the MCC? 23 MR. : Yes. It was I believe I got 24 there in like April 2018 around that. Don't 25 quote me on that. I'm not so sure, around that EFTA00060978 9 1 time. It was right before summer I believe. 2 MR. : And that is - did you 3 work there until you departed the BOP in 2020? 4 MR. : Yes, sir. 5 MR. : Okay. is currently 6 employed as a GS11. works in the special 7 housing unit and the operations unit. is 8 sometimes assigned to the SR2. What is the 9 SR2? 10 MR. : It's a relief post. I wasn't 11 -. At the time of all this, Epstein, I was not 12 the special housing unit lieutenant. So I want 13 to make sure I was clear on that. 14 MR. : But you were a special 15 housing unit lieutenant in the past? 16 MR. : Yes, sir. 17 MR. : Okay. Great. You'll be 18 perfect to answer some of these questions then. 19 But the SR2. I'm sorry. What is that? 20 MR. : It's like a relief post. So 21 you kind of work some day-watch shifts, some 22 evening watch shifts, and morning watch shifts. 23 So it's like a variable change post. 24 MR. : Okay. 25 MR. : They're a (Indiscernible EFTA00060979 10 1 *00:06:26) supervisor. 2 MR. : And were working in both 3 activities and operations there. 4 MR. : Yes, dir. 5 MR. : Primary responsibilities 6 while working in operations include logging the 7 movements of the building and managing overtime 8 issues. also does rounds in the SHU and 9 goes down range to address any issues that 10 inmates have. So when you say you do rounds in 11 the SHU, would you actually conduct rounds with 12 the inmates? Or are you saying you would visit 13 the SHU and do a round with your staff members? 14 MR. : I'm sorry. Say - repeat the 15 question one more time? I'm sorry. 16 MR. : So when this say that 17 also does rounds in the SHU, does that 18 mean when you would visit the SHU would you 19 actually do rounds with the other correctional 20 officers that were in the SHU? So you would do 21 rounds with the inmates? 22 MR. : Yes, sir. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MR. : Rounds with staff, make sure 25 there's any issues. Do rounds with the inmates EFTA00060980 11 1 if they have any issues. And then I depart. 2 MR. : Great. 3 MR. : And then I go to the other 4 units as well and do the same thing with 5 officers in the housing units. 6 MR. : Perfect. It says: 7 stated that the assigned operations lieutenant 8 will visit the SHU approximately once a day and 9 sign the signature sheet. The lieutenant 10 brings the signature sheet to the captain to 11 sign and file the sheet into the logbook. So 12 when you would visit the SHU, as an operations 13 lieutenant, would you conduct rounds with the 14 inmates at that time? 15 MR. : It all depends on the 16 workload. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : For instance, let's say 19 there's a use of force or some other disruptive 20 inmate you're dealing with. You know as 21 operations lieutenant, of course you've got to 22 address that, and that's why you have the 23 activities lieutenant. And if you can't make 24 it there in time, or if he can't address that, 25 you'll kind of cover up and go through the EFTA00060981 12 1 rounds for the operations lieutenant. 2 MR. : When the Epstein matter 3 occurred on August 10, 2O19, prior to that 4 time, was there ever a requirement that 5 lieutenants had to conduct one round in the SHU 6 with the inmates per shift? 7 MR. : Yeah, that was policy. As an 8 operations or activities lieutenant you had - 9 was obligated to go there and make rounds. Of 10 course, like I said, working in various 11 institutions, MCC New York is a very unique 12 beast because it's constant movement going on. 13 Constant issues. But like I said, depending on 14 the workload or situation, if there's not 15 another issue you're dealing with, yes. You 16 have to go there at least once a shift. 17 MR. : Now just so I want to be 18 clear on this. Is it just go there to check in 19 or is it go there to actually -? 20 MR. : No. Not just to go in there, 21 sign the books, and go. Of course just make 22 sure the staff's okay. Do your rounds down 23 range. Make sure there's any issues - inmate 24 issues - you log them down. See if you can try 25 to answer them. And go through the other EFTA00060982 13 1 housing units and do the same thing. 2 MR. : Okay. So it was - but at 3 that time, in August 2019, prior to Epstein 4 being found dead, was there a requirement that 5 every shift that either the operations or the 6 activities lieutenant conduct round -- 7 MR. : Yes. 8 MR. : -- in the SHU with the 9 inmates? 10 MR. : Yes. 11 MR. : Okay. Good to know. 12 Alright. is not involved with the count 13 in the SHU during the week unless there is an 14 unscheduled emergency count. typical 15 involvement with the count is limited to making 16 sure rounds have been completed. The only 17 shift scheduled in the SHU for a lieutenant is 18 the 6:00 a.m. until 2:00 p.m. shift. There is 19 no nighttime SHU lieutenant scheduled at MCC. 20 has worked at other BOP facilities where 21 a nighttime lieutenant is scheduled. All BOP 22 employees are required to participate in an 23 annual refresher training. The last training 24 was held at in New York, New 25 York. There is also quarterly training for new EFTA00060983 14 1 correctional officers assigned to the SHU and 2 others who are mandated to attend. The 3 training discusses the signs of suicide and 4 what an employee should do if an inmate 5 attempts or successfully commits suicide. The 6 details of these trainings are found in post 7 orders which are displayed at the MCC. Now for 8 people that would do overtime shifts not 9 normally be assigned to the SHU, would they 10 have received guidance or training on how 11 they're supposed to operate when they're in the 12 SHU? 13 MR. : Usually - well you're saying 14 the training to work as a special housing 15 officer. Correct? 16 MR. : Correct. So I know like, 17 for instance, a special housing officer, they 18 do quarterly SHU training. Right? 19 MR. : Yes, sir. So whoever - 20 whoever - okay so let's say you've got your 21 regular SHU officers there. So before the SHU, 22 they take over that SHU, before the quarter 23 begins, they have quarterly SHU training with 24 that staff. That's where a lot of the rules 25 that are implemented in special housing EFTA00060984 15 1 reviewed, and pretty much all your policy in 2 special housing is reviewed before that - you 3 take over that shift for that quarter. Now for 4 other officers that just do their overtime, and 5 stuff like that, it's during the annual 6 refresher training that you get once a year. 7 MR. : Okay. So at that once a 8 year training though, do you get - was that 9 sufficient in order to know the rules and 10 policies and regulations for when they did work 11 in the SHU? 12 MR. : Uh, technically yes. Yes. 13 They're - the - it covers everything - special 14 housing, the rules, and regulations and how 15 movement is in special housing. My opinion, 16 coming from different institutions, is that 17 it's always a lot of stuff going on in special 18 housing because you have the (Indiscernible 19 *00:12:00). I believe you should get some more 20 training. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. : That's just my opinion. 23 MR. : Fair enough. Alright. 24 So had not heard about Epstein until he 25 arrived at the MCC as an inmate. was not EFTA00060985 16 1 working at the time of Epstein's attempted 2 suicide and was told about the incident 3 afterwards. Standard practice at MCC is that 4 if an inmate is placed on suicide watch, a 5 cellmate will be placed with that inmate. The 6 psychology unit gives correctional officers a 7 hotlist which lists the names of any inmates 8 who are on suicide watch and require a 9 cellmate. So if some of the -. If the 10 officers that are working in the SHU knew that 11 Epstein had tried to commit suicide previously, 12 should have they known that he needed a 13 cellmate at all times? 14 MR. : Yes, sir. 15 MR. : Alright. And is that 16 regardless if that was their quarterly bidded 17 post versus like someone -. 18 MR. : Yeah because in special 19 housing, you have the hotlist right at the 20 officers' stations or right behind it. Or the 21 one at MCC New York and any other institution, 22 it's right there at the officer's stations. So 23 you have the list, pictures, and that's the 24 hotlist. So anybody that's at suicide risk has 25 to have an inmate. And yes. They should have. EFTA00060986 17 1 MR. : Okay. It says: Epstein 2 was placed on suicide watch, was brought 3 upstairs to the SHU, and discussions about who 4 Epstein's cellmate would be. was not 5 present at any of those meetings. Once 6 was selected to be Epstein's cellmate, 7 spoke with Epstein and about it. And 8 neither inmate had an issue with it. 9 physically placed into Epstein's cell. 10 Oh, so you were the lieutenant at the time? 11 MR. : Yes. I was the operations 12 when they cleared that specific inmate to be 13 with Epstein. And I put him up there. Put him 14 in the first cell. And when I left, he was 15 still - that was his cellmate. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MR. : It says: Then there is an 18 agent note and says at this point in the 19 interview, was shown a printed email from 20 stated he recalled 21 receiving an email which was prior to assigning 22 to be Epstein's cellmate. Now I'm 23 assuming that email was the one from July 30th 24 from psychology saying that Epstein was 25 required to have a cellmate. Do you recall? EFTA00060987 18 1 MR. : Yeah. Briefly. Yes, sir. I 2 know we had a lot of emails about Epstein. And 3 then that one I know he was required to have 4 that. And then they specified which inmate was 5 going to be his. 6 MR. : Okay. It says: On 7 8/9/19, so on August 9, 2019, was 8 assigned as the operations lieutenant on the 9 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. shift, which is actually 10 worked 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Correctional 11 officers during the morning watch shift knew 12 that Epstein and were to be kept in the 13 same cell. was removed from Epstein's 14 cell during the shift for a court appearance 15 and was released. A new cellmate was not 16 immediately placed into Epstein's cell. 17 was aware of Epstein being alone and was 18 waiting to see what inmate would be assigned as 19 Epstein new cellmate. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MR. believed that the 22 captain or psychology unit will make this 23 assignment. So did you have any conversations 24 with anybody -? 25 MR. : No. EFTA00060988 19 1 MR. : No? 2 MR. : No. That was - would be 3 No, that's a little bit different of how it was 4 said. 5 MR. : So let me -. Here, I'll 6 read the next sentence and you can tell me if 7 this is correct. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MR. : It says: did not 10 tell any members of the relieving shift or 11 captain that has been released 12 from MCC or that Epstein was currently without 13 a cellmate. did not work on 8/10/2019 14 and heard about Epstein's death in the news. 15 MR. : No. So this is exactly how it 16 went down. So with everything else, 100,000 17 things that was going on in that building, 18 usually when people go to court, we don't know 19 if they come back or not. There's nothing 20 specified okay, this person comes back. 21 Sometimes they do go to court, they post bail, 22 whatever the case may be, they get transferred. 23 We don't know until later on that day or after 24 the shift. But that's - when I heard that, 25 it's kind of weird how they stated that because EFTA00060989 20 1 at no point do we kind of have an idea that, oh 2 right now this inmate is not coming back. 3 Because especially in the detention center, a 4 lot of these guys do come back. Some of these 5 guys come late. Some of these guys come like 6 7:00, 8:00 on the next shift. It all depends. 7 So that's why I don't know with that statement 8 - I don't agree with that tone. 9 MR. : So did you know that 10 Epstein's celimate was not coming back? 11 MR. : No. I did not know. 12 MR. : Oh you did not know. 13 Alright. Because yeah, I mean. 14 MR. : Yeah. I did not. 15 MR. : So I know the institution 16 was called at 1:50 advising that he was not 17 coming back. 18 MR. : See I didn't know that, sir. 19 MR. : You did not. Alright. 20 So you're saying how they wrote this is 21 actually not correct. 22 MR. : Yeah. Not correct. I did not 23 know that. 24 MR. : Okay. Who - should have 25 you known it if you were worked until 2:00 p.m. EFTA00060990 21 1 and then they called at 1:50? Should someone 2 have advised you? 3 MR. : Either me or the oncoming 4 lieutenant. So because when we do the 5 lieutenant exchange, we go over everything 6 going on in the building, and like I said, any 7 other issues that we're dealing with. Somebody 8 doesn't want to return to their cell or inmate 9 fight or whatever the case may be. There's a 10 lot of stuff going on. That's why I tried to 11 tell the individuals during that first 12 interview. During the day, it's not like okay 13 yeah this person goes here. It's kumbaya all 14 day. It's fast moving all the time. So yes. 15 So some things do get slipped through the 16 cracks? Yes. Do all of them? No. But at the 17 time with that, I was not - to my knowledge at 18 that time - that I knew that he was coming 19 back. 20 MR. : Alright. And that's what 21 I was going to ask you. Are you positive that 22 you didn't - you were not informed that he had 23 left? 24 MR. : Sir, to tell you the truth. 25 Like me right now even thinking back then. I EFTA00060991 22 1 was not sure. I'm not sure. I was not aware 2 if he wasn't gone. I don't remember getting 3 any time of notification saying he was not 4 coming back. 5 MR. : So you don't recall is 6 what you're saying? 7 MR. : Yeah. I don't recall. I did 8 not get any type of correspondence saying that 9 that inmate was not coming back at 1:54 or 10 whatever the time that you stated. 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MR. : That -. 13 MR. : Yeah, I think it was at 14 1:50. So when they call over to say there's 15 somebody is not coming back. Who do they call? 16 MR. : They usually, it's the 17 operations lieutenant or if they might be R&D. 18 And R&D lets us know that this inmate's not 19 coming back. I never got any type of 20 notification from R&D or the captain himself. 21 Honestly, sir. And being with the inmate being 22 so high profile, usually a person like that 23 will come from our next-step-leadership which 24 would be the captain. I never received any 25 correspondence from him. EFTA00060992 23 1 MR. : No, and I'm not talking 2 about Epstein. I'm talking about Was 3 also high profile? 4 MR. : No, I'm just saying being that 5 he was in the same vicinity. If they - because 6 they made a big issue to make sure that's his 7 cellmate. Because I remember a couple of times 8 with the correspondence I got from him that 9 this is the inmate that he needs to be with 10 him. And make it happen. Put him in a cell 11 with him and that. So I would assume being 12 that he is kind of tied to Epstein for housing 13 purposes, and they knew that he was not coming 14 back, I should at least have got some type of 15 notification from the captain which I didn't at 16 that time. That I do know. 17 MR. : Alright. So I thought 18 you were saying that if they knew that he 19 wasn't coming back, they would call the 20 operations lieutenant. Were you saying? 21 MR. : Well either R&D will know - 22 Receiving District - because they deal a lot 23 with the court cases and they'll disseminate it 24 from operations. Or if they check. Because 25 sometimes, honestly, sir, if they call the EFTA00060993 24 1 operations lieutenant, sometimes we're not in 2 that office. Or we're moving around and about 3 whatever the case may be. It all depends on 4 the day. So majority of the time, it will come 5 from R&D or if somebody does notify us, like 6 you said, more than likely be the lieutenant's 7 office or R&D or - for that situation - I would 8 think the higher-ups would know and let us 9 know. 10 MR. : Alright. Because I'm 11 looking at the notes now from the FBI. And it 12 says the same thing. New cellmate wasn't 13 placed. was waiting to see who new 14 cellmate would be. And it would be decided by 15 the captain or psychology who would make that 16 decision. So do you remember talking to them 17 about that? 18 MR. : Honestly sir, no. I don't -. 19 MR. : And it said that Epstein 20 couldn't have just been placed with anyone. 21 MR. : That is for sure. That he was 22 not going to be placed with just anyone. 23 MR. : That is true? Is that 24 what you said? 25 MR. : Yeah. That - they didn't want EFTA00060994 25 1 no - any other celimate to be with him other 2 than 3 MR. : Um, right. Okay. 4 Alright. I'll just keep going on. 5 explained that correctional officers travel 6 between the 9th floor and the 10th floor of the 7 MCC via staircase. Now are you talking about 8 the MCC in general or are you talking about in 9 the SHU? 10 MR. : I'm - you mean the staircase 11 in SHU? 12 MR. : I don't know. The way 13 that that sentence says is explained that 14 correctional officers travel between the 9th 15 floor and 10th floor 16 MR. : Oh, that's okay. So the 9th 17 floor is the special housing. Now the 18 staircase to go to the 10th floor which is the 19 high-profile inmates go. 20 MR. : Like 10 South. Right? 21 MR. : 10 South. Yeah. That's the 22 staircase that they're -. 23 MR. : Okay. So in the general 24 SHU area is that was explaining how you get 25 from the SHU up to 10 South. EFTA00060995 26 1 MR. : Exactly. 2 MR. : Okay. Correctional 3 officers can take an elevator from the 9th 4 floor to the 11th floor, but it does not stop 5 on the 10th floor. The 10th floor is not a 6 full floor and is similar to an attic. There 7 are bathrooms for use of correctional officers 8 on the 9th and 10th floor. Female correctional 9 officers mostly use the 10th floor bathroom 10 because it's more comfortable and private. 11 Correctional officers pick up the house phone 12 and have the control unit open the doors for 13 them to access the bathroom and to complete 14 their rounds. also explained that 15 overtime during the nighttime shift for 16 correctional officers in the SHU is not often 17 sought after. This is because it requires 18 officers to be mobile and to prepare the 19 paperwork for the morning shift. Alright. So 20 you already talked about how -. So during the 21 August 9th and 10th. Every operations 22 lieutenant or activities lieutenant should have 23 conducted a round within the SHU and like 24 witnessed or participated in either a round or 25 a count? EFTA00060996 27 1 MR. : Yes. Uh, yes. 2 MR. : Do you know if anybody 3 did during your shift? Either yourself or the 4 activities lieutenant. 5 MR. : My shift it would have either 6 been -. I don't remember going to the SHU. I 7 know I was dealing with a lot of stuff that 8 day. Um. More than likely, if I can't do it, 9 it was my activities lieutenant that um, that 10 would knock that out. 11 MR. : You would have asked your 12 activities lieutenant? Is that what you said? 13 MR. : Yes. 14 MR. : Alright. 15 MR. : Well if he knows I'm busy, or 16 I'm dealing with something during the day, 17 he'll go up there and do the rounds in SHU. 18 MR. : Alright. And it looks 19 like that would have been Are you 20 familiar with 21 MR. : Yes. 22 MR. : Okay. Do you -. I mean 23 I know we're talking about a long time ago but 24 being that this was such a big incident. Do 25 you know - do you recall if you asked him to do EFTA00060997 28 1 it? 2 MR. : Sir, I would be lying if I 3 said I did remember. I don't. 4 MR. : No, no worries. So then 5 the person that relieved you was as the 6 operations lieutenant and then relieved 7 . So during their shift, one of them 8 should have also witnessed a round or a count 9 in the SHU? 10 MR. : Yes, sir. 11 MR. : Okay. And are you 12 positive that was policy at that time? 13 MR. : At that time, a lieutenant has 14 to at least go to SHU to make rounds ever 15 shift. 16 MR. : Right. And with the 17 inmates, not just to stop by. 18 MR. : Yes. Not just hey, how you 19 doing. It's actually go down range and do your 20 rounds in range. 21 MR. : Alright. And then after 22 that, the nighttime shift it would have been. 23 You know I guess for officers it would have 24 been 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. That was 25 and it actually says the EFTA00060998 29 1 activities lieutenant -. Oh no, the activities 2 lieutenant came on at 6:00. It was just the 3 operations lieutenant. So would 4 have she been required to do the same during 5 the same with the SHU - in the SHU? 6 MR. : Yes, sir. Every lieutenant 7 should have. Everybody's got to show their 8 face at least once a shift. And now when I say 9 show your face, you have to with the officers 10 and with the inmates go down range. 11 MR. : Okay. So 12 even though it was from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 13 a.m., should have also gone down range -- 14 MR. : Yep. 15 MR. : -- and done a round with 16 the inmates? 17 MR. : Yes. Because that would have 18 covered that morning watch shift. 19 MR. : Alright. Great. And 20 being that you were the lieutenant, you know 21 the SHU lieutenant, you know that this is 22 policy. Correct? 23 MR. : Yes, sir. 24 MR. : Alright. Great. And 25 it's not something that was implemented after EFTA00060999 30 1 this fact? It was actually -. 2 MR. : No, it was -. That's in every 3 SHU around the Bureau. 4 MR. : Okay. Great. Now so if 5 you were not informed about being removed 6 from the institution. What should have 7 happened and who should have taken - or who 8 should have ensured that a new cellmate was 9 assigned to Epstein? 10 MR. : Okay. So. Again. Repeat the 11 question one more time. I just want to make 12 sure I grasp what you're asking. 13 MR. : So first of all I guess I 14 should ask do you recall on that day were you 15 gone by 2:00 p.m.? 16 MR. : Uh, if not 2:00 p.m., usually 17 we try to relieve each other 15 minutes early 18 whatever. Give a little exchange and we go. 19 Usually I'll probably be out right at 2:00 p.m. 20 MR. : MR. LARGENT: So by 2:00 21 p.m. you would have bene gone? 22 MR. : Yes, sir. 23 MR. : Alright. So if this 24 information comes in and again, you said 25 usually, typically, directly, they call and EFTA00061000 31 1 they usually typically call the operations 2 lieutenant and provide this information that 3 this person is not coming back? 4 MR. : That, or. I'm going to say 5 80% of the time, R&D would know. Okay, this 6 inmate, because they've got the whole transfer 7 of inmates, where they're going, and what's 8 going on. So if they knew that one was on the 9 court list or whatever was not coming back, you 10 know, they usually would know. Or sometimes, 11 you know, they'll notify us by calling the 12 lieutenant's office. That's what I meant by 13 that. 14 MR. : Okay. So typically, R&D 15 would call the ops lieutenant, the ops 16 lieutenant would contact the lieutenant's 17 office, and they would notify the SHU? Is that 18 how it would work? 19 MR. : Yeah. And then without fail, 20 the such-and-such inmate needs to have - he's 21 not coming -. Well especially with that one. 22 He needs a cellmate because his cellie is not 23 coming back. And the whole issue of him 24 getting that special cellmate would definitely 25 be a - how do I put it. Somewhere not that in EFTA00061001 32 1 suicide watch if we couldn't get him and 2 cellmate. 3 MR. : I'm sorry, I couldn't 4 hear. What was the last thing you were saying? 5 MR. : So it's, you know, especially 6 with that, not any inmate could go with him. 7 They should have put him on suicide watch until 8 they confirmed which would be his next 9 cellmate. Because I know not everybody could 10 have gone with him. So that's why that 11 information should have disseminated a lot 12 quicker. Because you know, they couldn't find. 13 It was a specific inmate to get with him which 14 was . Now to get another one, they didn't 15 have another backup inmate to go with him if 16 that person didn't come back. So I would have 17 thought they should have put him at least in 18 suicide watch so they can kind of figure out 19 who they were going to stick with him being 20 that he couldn't be by himself. 21 MR. : Okay. Now do the ops 22 lieutenant and the activities lieutenant, are 23 their shifts like the same? Would have 24 also left at about 2:00 p.m.? 25 MR. : Uh, see that time, that's why EFTA00061002 33 1 I'm kind of confused. At that time, you just 2 reminded me. Because I knew we went -. 3 Usually the typical shift for operations is 4 eight hours. And I know at one time being with 5 the shortage and everything, they started 6 flipping it to 12-hour shifts. So I'm trying 7 to remember what time came in because if 8 he 9 MR. : Well underneath his 10 So it's difficult because you guys aren't all 11 coming in at the times that is listed on the 12 actual roster. Sounds like you're all two 13 hours beforehand. Like your shift says 8:00 to 14 1600. 15 MR. : Yeah. 16 MR. : But it sounds like you're 17 actually coming in at 6:00 a.m. and leaving at 18 2:00 p.m. Is that correct? 19 MR. : Yeah. That was the stuff they 20 were letting us do because of traffic 21 especially in detention centers. They let the 22 lieutenants come in and work the 6:00 to 2:00 23 instead of uh, 8:00 to 4:00 trying to 24 disseminate from you know the traffic and the 25 commute and stuff like that. EFTA00061003 34 1 MR. : Now as the 2 activities lieutenant, it shows that he was in 3 there from 6:00 to 2:00. 4 MR. : But again, he would have been 5 leaving exactly with me. Because that's why in 6 7 MR. : Alright. 8 MR. : -- activities they work 6:00 9 to 2:00, 2:00 to 10:00. 10 MR. : Alright. And so it was 11 only the ops lieutenants that were the two 12 hours before the activities lieutenants were 13 actually whatever it says on the schedule? 14 MR. : Yes. That was their official 15 post - 6:00 to 2:00. 16 MR. : Alright. So this call 17 comes in at 1:50 according to the official 18 records. So it's right on the cusp of either 19 you guys leaving or the next crew coming in. 20 MR. : Yes, sir. 21 MR. : And then it just -. So 22 who was the guy who relieved you, he 23 said he never knew about it. No one ever 24 informed him. 25 MR. : Yeah. EFTA00061004 35 1 MR. : And that's the weird part 2 is that your interview report says that you 3 did. My only question for you was going to be 4 like who informed you and did you relay that 5 information to anyone else? But -. 6 MR. : No. I don't recall saying 7 that I knew. I knew he left. I didn't knew 8 that he was gone. You know because we have a - 9 as an operations lieutenant, you have a list of 10 who is going to court. So I knew he was 11 leaving, I didn't know he was not coming back. 12 MR. : Oh. 13 MR. : Maybe that's where they 14 misconstrued what I was trying to say. Yeah, I 15 knew he was leaving. But I didn't know he was 16 not coming back. 17 MR. : So do you know why they 18 would have wrote And this is again in both 19 the report as well as in their handwritten 20 notes, " was waiting to see who the new 21 cellmate would be. It would be decided by the 22 captain or psychology to make that decision." 23 MR. : I'm not sure, sir. 24 MR. : No? So you didn't have a 25 conversation with the captain or psychology EFTA00061005 36 1 about like hey, I'm waiting on you to make that 2 decision? 3 MR. : Sir, I have to be honest. I 4 don't' remember talking to the captain about 5 that. 6 MR. : Right. Yeah-yeah-yeah. 7 And that's what it says and then later in the 8 interview report that's where it says. And 9 that's the reason why we're talking is just to 10 figure out 11 MR. : Yeah, I -- 12 MR. : -- where the -- 13 MR. : -- to be honest -- 14 MR. : -- he -. 15 MR. : I don't remember. I don't 16 know what this - I don't remember talking to 17 the captain about him waiting for a cellmate. 18 So that's pretty much saying okay I knew he was 19 not coming back, I'm just waiting for the 20 guidance from the captain. Which I don't 21 remember having a conversation with him. 22 MR. : No-no. And that's what 23 it says. It says, " did not tell any 24 members of the relieving shift or captain 25 that had been released from MCC or EFTA00061006 37 1 that Epstein was currently without a cellmate. 2 did not work on 8/10 and heard about 3 Epstein's death on the news." So yeah, 4 obviously the way that it reads, it looks like 5 - you know at least it says, the information 6 was provided to you and then you didn't do 7 anything with it. So that's why 8 MR. : Yeah-yeah. 9 MR. : -- we're talking to you. 10 MR. : That's why like when you're 11 explaining it, I'm like wow, man, that's not 12 how it went down. I knew he was leaving, but I 13 didn't know he was not coming back. I never -. 14 I don't recall ever having that conversation 15 with the captain, well yeah, I'm waiting for 16 you to let me know who you want me to put in 17 there. 18 MR. : Okay. And would it have 19 anything to do with like you getting a call as 20 you were running out the door or anything like 21 that? Or like telling hey make sure 22 this is handled? Or something? 23 MR. : No, sir. You - for myself. 24 Just wait. I know you don't know me from a can 25 in the wall. But when I worked special EFTA00061007 38 1 housing, there was been many nights - many, 2 many nights that I stayed there 4 or 5 hours 3 after just to make sure everything is done. So 4 me getting a call like hey, take care of that. 5 No. 6 MR. : Okay. What other 7 questions should we cover with him there 8 9 MR. : Hey Mr. , when you made 10 your rounds to the SHU, do you recall seeing 11 any kind of paperwork on the desk saying that 12 Epstein needed a cellmate? Like a large piece 13 of paper or something? 14 MR. : I don't recall, sir. 15 MR. : But you said that there 16 was a hotlist that he was on. 17 MR. : Yeah, oh yeah, the hotlist. 18 The hotlist. I thought what -. 19 MR. : No-no-no. He's asking 20 you specifically. So the information we have is 21 that they - on the officer in charge the OIC's 22 desk - there was like a colored paper that said 23 Epstein is required to have a cellmate. And 24 that's what he's asking. 25 MR. : I think that was a list the EFTA00061008 39 1 officers -. I guess whatever officer was there 2 left a note for the oncoming shift saying that 3 he needed a cellmate. So I don't know after I 4 left if that got disseminated. I'm not sure. 5 I know that yellow note - sticky pad or 6 whatever - that they said they wrote. That was 7 from the officers that was there to the 8 oncoming officers that were coming on. 9 MR. : Okay. So if the SHU 10 officers knew that he was supposed to have a 11 cellmate. Once they found out that 12 wasn't coming back, what should have they done? 13 MR. : What the officers should have 14 done first of all, what they should have done 15 was notify the oncoming - whoever the on-shift 16 lieutenant was, saying that this inmate doesn't 17 have a cellie. Who do you want me to put in 18 there? So from here, that's when the shift 19 lieutenant should have called and notified the 20 captain and said hey we can't just put anybody 21 with him. Who do you want us to put him? You 22 want to put him on suicide watch or until we 23 can kind of figure out who we're going to put 24 int here with him. That's what should have 25 happened. EFTA00061009 40 1 MR. : Okay. So once they 2 realized it, they should have -. Now should 3 have that happened with every new shift. If 4 the people are relieved on the morning watch to 5 the night watch - or day watch to night watch, 6 night watch knows that he's supposed to have a 7 cellmate, should have they again contacted the 8 ops lieutenant? 9 MR. : Yes. 10 MR. : And then same thing for 11 the morning watch? From the -? 12 MR. : Yes. 13 MR. : Okay. So every shift 14 should have again -. 15 MR. : Yeah. Somebody should have 16 called. Somebody should have called. 17 MR. : Okay. And no one called 18 —? As far as you know, no one called you and 19 contacted you and let you know that was 20 not coming back? 21 MR. : Sir, I don't recall anybody 22 having that conversation. I knew he was 23 leaving from the outgoing stuff going on. I 24 don't recall anybody calling me and saying he's 25 not coming back. And me waiting for the EFTA00061010 41 1 captain to let me know who I should put him 2 with. Because if it was like that, the captain 3 should - if he was the man, so he should have 4 known. So I don't ever recall 5 MR. : But like you said, the 6 R&D would have called the ops lieutenant not 7 the captain. Correct? Wouldn't it be the ops 8 lieutenant's job to call the captain? 9 MR. : Exactly. And that's why he -. 10 By you saying that I was waiting for the call 11 from the captain, means I knew that and I was 12 waiting for the captain to give me more 13 correspondence on who he wanted me to put on. 14 MR. : Yeah, no. And we can 15 forget about that part. The part I'm asking 16 about is do you know if anyone ever told you 17 that wasn't coming back? 18 MR. : Sir, I don't recall anybody 19 telling me he was not coming back. Like I said 20 I knew he was leaving. I never received any 21 correspondence saying he was not coming back. 22 I never got a call or nothing like that. 23 MR. : And would it be a call 24 typically or an email? Or how is that usually 25 done? EFTA00061011 42 1 MR. : Call. It can be an email as 2 well. But majority of the time it will be a 3 call. 4 MR. : Okay. And you don't 5 recall receiving a call? 6 MR. : No, sir. 7 MR. : And you don't recall 8 telling the FBI and the OIG back at you know in 9 let me see what date it says that. It was in 10 August 2019. You don't remember telling them 11 that? 12 MR. : I'm not saying I don't 13 remember unless I misconstrued how I said - how 14 I was trying to put it out there. Kind of like 15 when I explained it to you, that's kind of like 16 how it's was - how it was probably trying to 17 mean at the time. Or -. 18 MR. : Alright. So are you 19 thinking like what you -? Are you thinking 20 what you told them was something more along the 21 lines of I knew that he left to go to court but 22 I didn't know he wasn't coming back to the 23 institution? 24 MR. : There you go. 25 MR. : Alright. And then do you EFTA00061012 43 1 2 3 know how they would have -? Do you remember at all if you could try to place yourself back into there, where they would have come up with 4 the whole you're waiting on a new cellmate to 5 be assigned? 6 MR. : Sir, I don't - I'll be honest. 7 I'm not sure. 8 MR. : Yeah-yeah. No worries. 9 I'm just going to - 10 MR. : I'm trying to go through all 11 these years. How many years past are we - one 12 or two? I'm just trying to remember 13 everything. It's just, you know -. 14 MR. : Sure. 15 MR. : I don't want to give you a 16 false thing that says, yeah that's what I said 17 if I really don't - it's. It's kind of vague 18 for me. 19 MR. : Okay. What else do we 20 want to ask him while we've got him on the 21 phone? Since he especially since he was the 22 lieutenant in the SHU? 23 MR. : Mr. , you wouldn't 24 happen to recall who the officer was in the R&D 25 that day. Right? EFTA00061013 44 1 MR. : No, sir. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : In that building during the 4 day, like prior to Epstein, that building every 5 day it's just always moving. Like we have 30 6 inmates going to court every day. So not 7 including the fight that's going on down - 8 going on in the first or second floor - I mean, 9 the fifth and seventh floor, we have other 10 inmates going on with this, stuff with the 11 officers, the inmates. There's always 12 something going on. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MR. : So that's what I was trying to 15 explain to the people that interviewed me the 16 first time. It's a lot of stuff - a lot of lot 17 of stuff going on. I'm not saying it's an 18 excuse or nothing like that, but sometimes the 19 - there's just the motion of stuff going on in 20 that building. You know? 21 MR. : During your visits to the 22 SHU, did you ever tell anybody that Epstein was 23 required to have a cellmate? Just in general? 24 MR. : Yes. That when I first put 25 him in there, my - he was - he's going to have EFTA00061014 45 1 this inmate. This is his inmate and he's 2 supposed to have an inmate. 3 MR. : And when you say you 4 first put him in there, is that after he came 5 off of suicide watch you're referring to? 6 MR. : Yes. Yes. The first time 7 when they found and they specified this 8 is going to be the inmate that's going to be 9 with him. 10 MR. : Okay. And did you note 11 though not only is this going to be his inmate, 12 the inmate that's going to be his cellmate, but 13 was it ever discussed that at all times he 14 needs a cellmate? 15 MR. : Every inmate that's on suicide 16 watch needs a cellmate. That was the norm. 17 MR. : But did you ever -? I 18 guess what I'm asking is like so if these 19 people say, hey I didn't know that. What I'm 20 asking is like, do you remember ever saying 21 that to them? That hey, guys, he's on suicide 22 watch. He needs a cellmate. Or is that 23 conducted in training? Or how -? If they 24 claim that they didn't know that, how to what 25 can we say back to them and say you should have EFTA00061015 46 1 known that based upon - this person told you or 2 it was conducted in training? Or how -? 3 MR. : During SHU training, you have 4 a block of that SHU training is with the 5 psychologist. And she goes over all the 6 suicide risks and once he comes off the suicide 7 watch, she always states and goes in depth with 8 the suicide part of the SHU training. And an 9 inmate needing a cellmate coming off suicide 10 watch, regardless if it's a felonious 11 accusation or not because he's going to get a 12 cellmate. 13 MR. : Okay. Now is that the 14 SHU training that's the quarterly training 15 you're referring to. 16 MR. : Both. The quarterly training 17 and the annual training refresher course. 18 MR. : So that's also addressed 19 during the annual training? 20 MR. : Yes, sir. 21 MR. : Okay. Great to know. Do 22 you recall having any conversations with people 23 just though and maybe not even in the SHU, just 24 in general, with regard to other lieutenants 25 about the fact that Epstein needs a cellmate at EFTA00061016 47 1 all times? 2 MR. : I don't recall, sir. 3 MR. : You don't recall. 4 Alright. Do you have any reason to believe 5 that Epstein's death wasn't due to suicide? 6 MR. : No. 7 MR. : No? There was no foul 8 play involved. 9 MR. : No. No foul play. It's just 10 - people just didn't do their job. That's what 11 it boils down to. 12 MR. : And speaking of not doing 13 their job, are you aware that people in the SHU 14 were not conducting rounds and counts? 15 MR. : I was not aware of people not 16 doing their rounds and counts. I was assuming 17 that everybody was doing their job like they're 18 supposed to do. Do their rounds, do their 19 counts, to make sure whatever you put on paper 20 is what you're supposed to be putting on paper. 21 MR. : Oh, okay. And on your 22 shift, it says the ops lieutenant or activities 23 lieutenant, would you regularly go to the SHU 24 and conduct those rounds and counts with the 25 inmates? EFTA00061017 48 1 MR. : When I was a shift lieutenant? 2 Yes. If and I'm not saying -. 3 MR. : I mean not the SHU 4 lieutenant. When you were acting as the ops 5 lieutenant or the activities -. 6 MR. : As an ops lieutenant. If I 7 was busy, if I did do a use of force and I'm 8 doing an actual (Indiscernible *00:42:20), it's 9 either myself or my activities lieutenant. 10 Somebody on my shift was up there to do their 11 rounds. 12 MR. : Okay. And in your 13 opinion, who then with the limited information 14 that we just gave you, the fact that you know 15 they're getting the institution is getting -. 16 Somebody in the institution is getting a call 17 at 1:50 saying that he's not coming back. 18 Where - how should have this played out? Who 19 kind of dropped the ball there in your opinion? 20 MR. : Um. 21 MR. : Because it's documented 22 that the institution was called at 1:50 saying 23 that he wasn't coming back. 24 MR. : I don't know who dropped the 25 ball. I think everybody dropped the ball. EFTA00061018 49 1 Because if we - let's say we start with R&D. 2 If they didn't specifically speak to somebody 3 or do an email that people don't regularly 4 check - especially at that time. Or the 5 captain, you know, the captain should have 6 known. Regardless, but let's say it passed 7 that first section. When the next shift 8 section comes, you've got to go up there and do 9 your rounds. So right there, Epstein - he's a 10 high profile. He obviously does not have an 11 inmate - suicide risk. That's the second block 12 that missed. The third block hit the morning 13 watch shift. So to point exactly where the 14 ball dropped, I don't - I can't really specify 15 exactly. 16 MR. : Sure. Now I just want to 17 -. I don't know that we really have many more. 18 I just want to remind you though, you are under 19 oath and this is more of an administrative 20 matter right now, but if you know - the lying 21 thing is what could bring it to like a 22 criminal. So I just want to make sure that 23 you're confident with that statement that you 24 did not receive a call or an email saying that 25 wasn't coming back. EFTA00061019 50 1 MR. : Sir, like I said, I do not 2 recall a phone call. If an email went through, 3 I don't know if I didn't check it or nothing 4 like that. But a call - I don't remember. I 5 don't recall. 6 MR. : Verbal, call, any kind of 7 communication? 8 MR. : No didn't. I don't recall a 9 verbal call of communication or if somebody 10 stopped by my office. Hey, he's not coming 11 back. 12 MR. : And you also don't 13 believe you told the FBI that you received that 14 information? Or the OIG? 15 MR. : Yes. I don't - I'm not 16 saying. I don't I didn't exactly say 17 unless how I worded it came out wrong. 18 MR. : Because obviously this 19 was a big deal. Right? 20 MR. : Yes, sir. 21 MR. : So something like -- 22 MR. : I wouldn't just go and lie and 23 say -. 24 MR. : -- this -. What's that? 25 MR. : I said this is a huge thing so EFTA00061020 51 1 I wouldn't just say hey, I wouldn't lie and say 2 I never got a call. I truly do not recall 3 receiving a phone call of somebody telling me 4 saying he was not coming back. 5 MR. : And you also are saying 6 that you didn't tell the OIG or the FBI during 7 your interview with also the . Because 8 we're going to have like you said, four 9 witnesses that were in the room to talk to them 10 to say, hey did he say this? Because he's 11 saying that he didn't. 12 MR. : Sir, I'm trying to refresh my 13 memory. I don't recall saying. If I did say 14 it, then I said it. But I don't recall that 15 happening, sir. 16 MR. : Okay. because like when 17 I was saying about the big event, I'm just 18 saying like obviously Epstein dies. You would 19 think that one, it would stand out in your 20 mind: oh man, I got a call about not 21 coming back. And then two, you'd remember 22 because hey, I just got interviewed by the FBI, 23 the OIG, and the U.S. Attorney's Office all in 24 the same room at the same time. 25 MR. : Yes, sir. EFTA00061021 52 1 MR. : So and again, being under 2 oath, knowing that if you're lying that could 3 actually bring this from 4 MR. : Yes. 5 MR. : -- an administrative 6 matter where you don't work for the BOP anymore 7 to a potential criminal matter. Are you 8 confident with that statement? 9 MR. : Sir, I don't -. I'm being 10 honest with you. I do not recall stating that. 11 I don't. If I did, then I don't know if I was 12 nervous or -. I don't recall them calling me, 13 sir. I don't. Right now, in June 16 of 2021, 14 I do not recall them calling me and telling me 15 that he was not coming back. 16 MR. : Okay. But as - so we'll 17 go past that then. But again, if they had 18 called you, you would have -. Your next course 19 of action would have been to tell the captain. 20 Correct? 21 MR. : Exactly. Tell the captain. 22 MR. : And you didn't do that. 23 Right? And should have - if they did call you 24 - should have you told , your 25 replacement? EFTA00061022 53 1 MR. : Yes, sir. 2 MR. : Okay. And obviously you 3 didn't do either of those. Correct? 4 MR. : No, sir. 5 MR. : Okay. Anything else we 6 want to ask? 7 MR. : No. 8 MR. : Alright. This is my cell 9 phone. If for some reason that's - you can 10 recall and your statement changes. Please let 11 me know. Because again, it's at the moment 12 we're talking about administrative stuff for a 13 department you don't work for anymore. So if 14 it -- 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : -- you know, if you can 17 recall that conversation, if you can recall the 18 interview, if you can recall statements that 19 were made, please. As soon as possible -. 20 MR. : Sir, I - I - I'm - right now 21 I'm being completely honest with you. If I 22 said that, like right now, I don't remember. 23 And I don't know We're talking about a year 24 and a half ago. 25 MR. : But that's not something EFTA00061023 54 1 you'd remember. You know with the biggest case 2 in the news and it's still in the news today. 3 You know what I mean? 4 MR. : Yes, sir, I know. And I truly 5 do not remember them calling me and saying he 6 was not coming back, sir. 7 MR. : And again, it doesn't 8 have to be - it can be verbal, call, text, 9 email - any of that. Communication. You don't 10 recall any communication with anyone telling 11 you that wasn't coming back? 12 MR. : I'm trying to remember an 13 email. I don't remember a call, sir. Right 14 now. I truly don't. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Hey Mr. 17 MR. : Yes. 18 MR. : The next day, when after the 19 incident happened, did you get called on - 20 called into the MCC? 21 MR. : No. 22 MR. : So you weren't present on 23 Saturday then? 24 MR. : No. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00061024 55 1 MR. : Any follow-ups? 2 MR. : No. 3 MR. : Nothing? 4 MR. : Nothing else I can. 5 MR. : Okay. Well we really 6 appreciate your time. We'll relay this. 7 Obviously this information goes to the highest 8 of levels. So if you do recall, especially in 9 the very near term. Again, please call me back 10 and let me know. Again, you're under oath and 11 we do appreciate your time. And good luck at 12 training. And I hope CBP works out. 13 MR. : Alright. Thank you. 14 MR. : Thank you, sir. You have 15 a good night. It is currently 5:27 p.m. on 16 Wednesday June 16, 2012. 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14:5 Attend - 5:25, 14:2 Attic - 26:6 Attorney's - 51:23 August - 12:3, 13:3, 18:7, 26:21, 42:10 _-7:19, 17:20, 51:7 Aware - 18:17, 22:1, 47:13, 47:15 Awesome - 5:16 B Background - 4:25 Backup - 32:15 Bail - 19:21 Ball -48:19, 48:25, 49:14 Based - 46:1 Bathroom - 26:9, 26:13 Bathrooms - 26:7 Beast - 12:12 Became - 8:11 Become - 8:7 Been - 8:13, 13:16, 19:11, 24:20, 27:6, 27:19, 28:22, 28:24, 29:4, 34:4, 36:25, 38:1, 52:19 Before - 8:11, 9:1, 14:21, 14:22, 15:2, 34:12 Beforehand - 33:13 Began - 8:2, 8:14 Beginning - 4:24 Begins - 14:23 Behind - 16:20 Being - 3:7, 3:11, 3:15, 4:9, 13:4, 18:17, 22:21, 23:4, 23:11, 27:24, 29:20, 30:5, 32:19, 33:4, 52:1, 52:9, 53:21 Believe - 6:3, 6:16, 7:17, 7:18, 8:23, 9:1, 15:19, 47:4, 50:13 Believed - 18:21 Bene - 30:21 Best - 4:22 Between - 25:6, 25:14 Bidded - 16:16 Big - 23:6, 27:24, 50:19, 51:17 Biggest - 54:1 Birth - 5:11 Bit -4:15, 19:3 Blanks - 7:25 Block - 46:4, 49:11, 49:12 Boils - 47:11 Books - 6:17, 6:18, 12:21 BOP - 6:18, 8:3, 8:5, 8:13, 9:3, 13:20, 13:21, 52:6 Border - 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17:12 College - 5:18, 5:20, 6:1 Colored - 38:22 Come - 19:19, 20:4, 20:5, 22:23, 24:4, 32:16, 33:22, 43:3 Comes - 19:20, 30:24, 34:17, 46:6, 49:8 Comfortable - 26:1 0 Commit - 16:11 Commits - 14:5 Communication - 5 0:7, 50:9, 54:9, 54:10 Commute - 33:25 Complete - 26:13 Completed - 13:16 Completely - 53:21 Concerns -4:4 Conduct - 10:11, 11:13, 12:5, 13:6, 47:24 Conducted - 3:7, 3:11, 26:23, 45:23, 46:2 Conducting - 47:14 Confident - 49:23, 52:8 Confirmed - 32:8 Confused - 33:1 Constant - 12:12, 12:13 Contact - 31:16 Contacted - 40:7, 40:19 Control - 26:12 Conversation - 35: 25, 36:21, 37:14, 40:22, 53:17 Conversations - 18 :23, 46:22 Correct - 8:16, 8:17, 14:15, 14:16, 19:7, 20:21, 20:22, 29:22, 33:18, 41:7, 52:20, 53:3 Correction - 8:15 Correctional - 3:6, 8:17, 10:19, 14:1, 16:6, 18:10, 25:5, 25:14, 26:2, 26:7, 26:8, 26:11, 26:16 Correspondence - 22:8, 22:25, 23:8, 41:13, 41:21 Could - 32:6, 32:9, 43:2, 49:21, 52:2 Couldn't - 24:20, 32:1, 32:3, 32:12, 32:20 Count - 13:12, 13:14, 13:15, 26:25, 28:8 Counts - 47:14, 47:16, 47:19, 47:24 Couple - 4:23, 6:6, EFTA00061027 7:25, 8:10, 23:7 Course - 11:21, 12:10, 12:21, 46:17, 52:18 Court - 18:14, 19:18, 19:21, 23:23, 31:9, 35:10, 42:21, 44:6 Cover - 11:25, 38:7 Covered - 29:18 Covers - 15:13 Cracks - 21:16 Created - 7:13 Credits - 6:6 Crew - 34:19 Criminal - 49:22, 52:7 Current - 5:4 Currently - 6:21, 9:5, 19:12, 37:1, 55:15 Cusp - 34:18 Customs - 6:22 D - 3:14, 3:21, 3:22, 3:24, 38:9, 43:23, 44:2, 44:13, 53:7, 54:16, 54:18, 54:22, 54:25, 55:2, 55:4 - 19:11, 36:25 Date - 3:10, 5:11, 6:15, 42:9 Day - 6:16, 6:19, 9:21, 11:8, 19:23, 21:12, 21:14, 24:4, 27:8, 27:16, 30:14, 40:5, 43:25, 44:4, 44:5, 44:6, 54:18 Dead - 13:4 Deal - 23:22, 50:19 Dealing - 11:20, 12:15, 21:7, 27:7, 27:16 Death - 19:14, 37:3, 47:5 Decided - 24:14, 35:21 Decision - 24:16, 35:22, 36:2 Definitely - 31:24 De - 6:5 - 3:2, 3:16, 3:19, 55:17 Depart -11:1 Departed - 9:3 Department - 3:3, 3:8, 53:13 Depending - 12:13 Depends - 11:15, 20:6, 24:3 Depth - 46:7 Desk - 38:11, 38:22 Details - 14:6 Detention - 20:3, 33:21 Dies - 51:18 Different - 4:15, 4:24, 8:10, 15:16, 19:3 Difficult - 33:10 Dir - 10:4 Directly - 30:25 Discussed - 45:13 Discusses - 14:3 Discussions - 17:3 Displayed - 14:7 Disruptive - 11:19 Disseminate - 23:2 3, 33:24 Disseminated - 32: 11, 39:4 District - 23:22 Dix - 8:3 Documented - 48:2 1 Does - 10:8, 10:17, 24:5, 26:4, 49:10 Doesn't - 21:8, 39:16, 54:7 Doing - 28:19, 47:12, 47:16, 47:17, 48:8 DOJ - 3:13, 3:18, 3:21, 4:3, 4:7, 4:8 Done - 29:15, 38:3, 39:12, 39:14, 41:25 Don't' - 36:4 Door - 37:20 Doors - 26:12 Down - 5:1, 7:2, 10:9, 12:22, 12:24, 19:16, 28:19, 29:10, 29:13, 37:12, 44:7, 47:11 Dropped - 48:19, 48:24, 48:25, 49:14 Due - 47:5 - 27:19, 27:20, 28:7, 32:23, 33:7, 34:1, 37:21 During - 4:16, 13:13, 15:5, 18:11, 18:14, 21:11, 21:12, 26:15, 26:20, 27:3, 27:16, 28:7, 29:4, 44:3, 44:21, 46:3, 46:19, 51:6 E Each - 30:17 Early - 30:17 Education - 5:17 Eight - 33:4 Either - 13:5, 21:3, 23:21, 26:24, 27:3, 27:5, 34:18, 48:9, 53:3 Elevator - 26:3 Else - 19:16, 35:5, 43:19, 53:5, 55:4 Email - 17:19, 17:21, 17:23, 41:24, 42:1, 49:3, 49:24, 50:2, 54:9, 54:13 Emails - 18:2 Emergency - 13:14 Employed - 9:6 Employee - 14:4 Employees - 13:22 Employment - 8:4 Ended - 8:4 Enforcement - 5:1, 7:3 Englewood - 8:14 Enough - 15:23 Ensured - 30:8 Epstein's - 16:1, 17:4, 17:6, 17:9, 17:22, 18:13, 18:16, 19:14, 20:10, 37:3, 47:5 Especially - 20:3, 31:21, 32:5, 33:21, 43:21, 49:4, 55:8 Even - 21:25, 29:12, 46:23 Evening - 9:22 Event - 51:17 Eventually - 8:4 Ever - 12:4, 28:14, 34:23, 37:14, 41:4, 41:16, 44:22, 45:13, 45:17, 45:20 Every - 13:5, 26:21, 29:6, 30:2, 40:3, 40:13, 44:4, 44:6, 45:15 Everybody - 32:9, 47:17, 48:25 Everybody's - 29:7 Everyone - 3:16 Everything - 15:13, 19:16, 21:5, 33:5, 38:3, 43:13 Exactly - 19:15, 26:1, 34:5, 41:9, 49:13, 49:15, 50:16, 52:21 Exchange - 21:5, 30:18 Excuse - 44:18 Explain - 44:15 Explained - 25:5, 25:13, 26:14, 42:15 Explaining - 25:24, 37:11 F Face - 29:8, 29:9 Facilities - 8:13, 13:20 Fact - 30:1, 46:25, 48:14 Fail - 31:19 Failure - 4:6 Fair - 15:23 False - 43:16 Familiar - 27:20 Far - 40:18 Fast - 21:14 FBI - 7:15, 7:19, 24:11, 42:8, 50:13, 51:6, 51:22 Federal - 3:6, 5:1, 7:2, 13:24 Feel - 4:21 Felonious - 46:10 Female - 26:8 Field - 3:5 Fifth -44:9 Fight - 21:9, 44:7 Figure - 32:18, 36:10, 39:23 File - 11:11 Fill - 7:24 Find - 32:12 First - 17:14, 21:11, 30:13, 39:14, 44:8, 44:16, 44:24, 45:4, 45:6, 49:7 Flipping - 33:6 Floor - 25:6, 25:15, 25:17, 25:18, 26:4, 26:5, 26:6, 26:8, 26:9, 44:8, 44:9 Florence - 8:14 - 5:6, 5:9 Follow - 55:1 Force - 11:19, 48:7 Forget - 41:15 Former - 3:6 Fort - 8:3 Foul - 47:7, 47:9 Found - 13:4, 14:6, 39:11, 45:7 Four - 3:25, 5:14, 51:8 Free -4:21 Full - 26:6 G Gave - 48:14 General - 3:4, 3:9, 25:8, 25:23, 44:23, 46:24 Get - 4:25, 7:3, 15:6, 15:8, 15:19, 19:22, 21:15, 22:8, 25:24, 32:1, 32:13, 32:14, 46:11, 54:19 Getting - 22:2, 31:24, 37:19, 38:4, 48:15, 48:16 Give - 30:18, 41:12, 43:15 Gives -16:6 Goes - 10:9, 21:13, 46:5, 46:7, 55:7 Gone - 22:2, 29:13, 30:15, 30:21, 32:10, 35:8 Good - 4:2, 13:11, 55:11, 55:15 Got - 8:23, 11:21, 14:20, 22:19, 23:8, 23:14, 29:7, 31:6, 39:4, 41:22, 43:20, 49:8, 51:2, 51:20, 51:22 Grasp - 30:12 Great - 7:21, 9:17, 11:2, 29:19, 29:24, 30:4, 46:21 GS11 - 7:9, 9:6 _-5:21, 5:22, 6:1 Guess - 28:23, 30:13, 39:1, 45:18 Guidance - 14:10, 36:20 Guy - 34:22 Guys - 20:4, 20:5, 33:10, 34:19, 45:21 H Had - 7:19, 8:10, 12:5, 12:8, 15:24, 16:11, 17:8, 18:2, 21:22, 36:25, 52:17 Half - 53:24 Handled - 37:22 Handwritten - 35:19 Happen - 23:10, 43:24 Happened - 30:7, 39:25, 40:3, 54:19 Happening - 51:15 EFTA00061028 Has - 4:5, 8:6, 8:12, 30:19, 43:6 Let - 19:5, 24:8, Many - 38:1, 38:2, J 13:20, 16:24, 19:11, Immediately - 18:16 33:21, 37:16, 40:19, 43:11, 49:17 28:13 Implemented - 14:2 Jersey - 8:4 41:1, 42:9, 53:10, Matter - 7:16, 12:2, Having - 36:21, 5, 29:25 Job - 4:5, 41:8, 55:10 49:20, 52:6, 52:7 37:14, 40:22, 46:22 Inaccurate - 7:23 47:10, 47:13, 47:17 Lets - 22:18 May - 19:22, 21:9, Hear - 32:4 Incident - 16:2, July - 17:23 Let's - 11:18, 14:20, 24:3 Heard - 15:24, 27:24, 54:19 June - 3:10, 52:13, 49:1, 49:6 Maybe - 35:13, 19:14, 19:24, 37:2 Include - 10:6 55:16 Letting - 33:20 46:23 Held -13:24 Including - 8:14, Justice - 3:4, 3:8 Level - 5:17 MCC - 8:22, 12:11, He'll - 27:17 Here - 6:6, 19:5, 44:7 Indiscernible - 9:25 Levels - 55:8 Lie - 50:22, 51:1 13:19, 14:7, 15:25, 16:3, 16:21, 19:12, K Keep - 25:4 21:13, 39:18, 39:24 , 15:18, 48:8 Lieutenants - 12:5, 25:7, 25:8, 36:25, He's 31:20, 38:19, Individuals - 21:11 Kept -18:12 33:22, 34:11, 34:12, 54:20 38:24, 40:6, 40:24, Information - 30:24, Kind -4:25, 9:21, 46:24 Mean - 10:18, 44:25, 45:1, 45:21, 31:2, 32:11, 35:5, 11:25, 19:25, 20:1, Lieutenant's - 24:6, 20:13, 25:10, 27:22, 46:11, 48:17, 49:9, 37:5, 38:20, 48:13, 23:12, 32:18, 33:1, 31:12, 31:16, 41:8 42:17, 44:8, 48:3, 50:10, 51:10 50:14, 55:7 38:11, 39:23, 42:14, Likely - 24:6, 27:8 54:3 Hey - 28:18, 36:1, Informed - 21:22, 42:15, 43:17, 48:19, Limited - 13:15, Means -41:11 37:21, 38:4, 38:9, 30:5, 34:24, 35:4 50:6 48:13 Meant - 31:12 39:20, 45:19, 45:21, Inmates - 10:10, Knew - 16:10, Lines - 42:21 Meetings - 17:5 50:10, 51:1, 51:10, 10:12, 10:21, 10:25, 18:11, 21:18, 23:13, List - 16:23, 31:9, Members - 10:13, 51:22, 54:16 11:14, 12:6, 13:9, 23:18, 31:8, 33:2, 35:9, 38:25 19:10, 36:24 High - 22:22, 23:3, 16:7, 25:19, 28:17, 34:23, 35:7, 35:10, Listed - 33:11 Memory - 51:13 25:19, 49:10 29:10, 29:16, 31:7, 35:15, 36:18, 37:12, Lists - 16:7 Mentioned - 4:8, Higher - 24:8 44:6, 44:10, 44:11, 39:10, 40:22, 41:11, Little - 4:14, 19:3, 4:22, 7:12, 7:24 Highest - 5:17, 55:7 47:25 41:20, 42:21 30:18 Metropolitan - 8:17 Himself - 22:20, Inmate's - 22:18 Knock - 27:10 Located - 8:19 Might - 22:17 32:20 Inspector - 3:4, 3:9 Knowing - 52:2 Log - 12:24 Mind - 51:20 His - 8:4, 17:15, Instance - 11:18, Knowledge - 21:17 Logbook - 11:11 Minutes - 30:17 18:5, 23:6, 31:22, 14:17 Known - 16:12, Logging - 10:6 Misconstrued - 35: 32:8, 33:9, 45:1, Instead - 33:23 20:25, 41:4, 46:1, Long - 6:8, 27:23 14, 42:13 45:11, 45:12 Institution - 16:21, 49:6 Looking -4:7, 24:11 Missed - 49:12 Hit - 49:12 20:15, 30:6, 42:23, Knows - 27:15, 40:6 Looks - 27:18, 37:4 Mobile - 26:18 Home - 5:5 48:15, 48:16, 48:22 Kumbaya - 21:13 Lot - 14:24, 15:17, Moment - 53:11 Homestead - 5:9 Institutions - 12:11, 18:2, 20:4, 21:10, More - 10:15, 15:19, Honest - 36:3, 15:16 L 23:22, 27:7, 32:11, 24:6, 26:10, 27:8, 36:13, 43:6, 52:10, 53:21 Int - 39:24 Interview - 3:5, Lane - 28:25, 29:3, 44:16 Luck - 55:11 30:11, 41:12, 42:20, 49:17, 49:19 Honestly - 22:21, 3:11, 3:14, 4:11, 29:11 - 3:14, 3:20, Morning - 9:22, 23:25, 24:18 Hope - 55:12 4:17, 4:24, 7:13, 17:19, 21:12, 35:2, Large - 38:12 LARGENT - 30:20 3:22, 38:8 Lying - 28:2, 49:20, 18:11, 26:19, 29:18, 40:4, 40:11, 49:12 Hotlist - 16:7, 36:8, 51:7, 53:18 Last - 3:18, 3:24, 52:2 Mostly - 26:9 16:19, 16:24, 38:16, 38:17, 38:18 Hour - 33:6 Hours - 33:4, 33:13, 34:12, 38:2 House - 26:11 Housing - 9:7, 9:12, 9:15, 11:5, 13:1, 14:14, 14:17, 14:25, 15:2, 15:14, 15:15, 15:18, 16:19, 23:12, 25:17, 38:1 Huge - 50:25 Interviewed - 7:14, 44:15, 51:22 Into -4:7, 11:11, 17:9, 18:16, 43:3, 54:20 Investigation - 3:9, 4:4, 4:5, 4:9 Involved - 13:12, 47:8 Involvement - 13:1 5 Issue - 12:15, 17:8, 23:6, 31:23 Issues - 10:8, 10:9, 10:25, 11:1, 12:13, 12:23, 12:24, 21:7 5:13, 6:16, 6:18, 7:7, 13:23, 32:4 Late - 20:5 Later - 8:5, 19:23, 36:7 Law - 5:1, 7:2 Leadership - 22:23 Least - 12:16, 23:14, 28:14, 29:8, 32:17, 37:5 Leave - 6:17 Leaving - 33:17, 34:5, 34:19, 35:11, 35:15, 37:12, 40:23, 41:20 Left - 6:11, 6:12, 6:14, 17:14, 21:23, Motion - 44:19 Movement - 12:12, 15:15 Movements - 10:7 Moving - 21:14, 24:2, 44:5 Much - 15:1, 36:18 My - 3:1, 4:20, 4:22, 6:16, 6:18, 15:15, 15:22, 21:17, 27:5, 27:9, 35:3, 44:25, 48:9, 48:10, 50:10, 51:12, 53:8 Myself - 37:23, 48:9 M I Made - 23:6, 38:9, 53:19 Majority - 24:4, 42:2 Make - 4:22, 9:13, 10:24, 11:23, 12:9, 12:21, 12:23, 18:22, 23:6, 23:10, 24:15, 28:14, 30:11, 35:22, 36:1, 37:21, 38:3, 47:19, 49:22 Making - 13:15 Man - 37:11, 41:3, 51:20 Managing - 10:7 Idea - 20:1 N Identify - 3:17 32:24, 35:7, 39:2, Mandated - 14:2 Name - 3:2, 3:18 I'll - 4:21, 19:5, 25:4, 39:4, 42:21 Manhattan - 8:15 Names - 16:7 EFTA00061029 Near - 55:9 Needed - 16:12, 38:12, 39:3 Needing - 46:9 Needs - 23:9, 31:20, 31:22, 45:14, 45:16, 45:22, 46:25 Neither - 17:8 Nervous - 52:12 Never - 22:19, 22:24, 34:23, 37:13, 41:20, 41:22, 51:2 New - 3:4, 8:3, 8:20, 12:11, 13:24, 13:25, 16:21, 18:15, 18:19, 24:12, 24:13, 30:8, 35:20, 40:3, 43:4 News - 19:14, 37:3, 54:2 Next - 3:20, 19:6, 20:6, 22:23, 32:8, 34:19, 49:7, 52:18, 54:18 Night - 40:5, 40:6, 55:15 Nights - 38:1, 38:2 Nighttime - 13:19, 13:21, 26:15, 28:22 Norm - 45:16 Normally - 14:9 Note - 17:18, 39:2, 39:5, 45:10 Notes - 24:11, 35:20 Nothing - 4:16, 19:19, 41:22, 44:18, 50:3, 55:3, 55:4 Notification - 22:3, 22:20, 23:15 Notified - 39:19 Notify - 24:5, 31:11, 31:17, 39:15 Number - 3:13, 5:14 F 0 Oath - 4:14, 49:19, 52:2, 55:10 Obligated - 12:9 Obviously - 37:4, 49:10, 50:18, 51:18, 53:2, 55:7 Occurred - 12:3 October - 3:25, 6:19, 6:25 Off - 45:5, 46:6, 46:9, 55:18 Office - 3:4, 3:5, 3:9, 24:2, 24:7, 31:12, 31:17, 50:10, 51:23 Officer - 3:7, 14:15, 14:17, 38:21, 39:1, 43:24 Officers' - 16:20 Officers -16:22 Official - 3:8, 4:8, 34:14, 34:17 Officially - 7:4 Often - 26:16 Oh - 17:10, 20:1, 20:12, 25:16, 29:1, 35:12, 38:17, 47:21, 51:20 Ohcool - 5:22 OIC's - 38:21 OIG - 3:13, 3:18, 3:21, 4:7, 7:15, 7:17, 42:8, 50:14, 51:6, 51:23 Once - 11:8, 12:16, 15:6, 15:7, 17:5, 29:8, 39:11, 40:1, 46:6 Oncoming - 21:3, 39:2, 39:8, 39:15 One - 7:18, 8:20, 10:15, 12:5, 16:21, 17:23, 18:3, 28:7, 30:11, 31:8, 31:21, 32:14, 33:4, 34:23, 40:17, 40:18, 43:11, 51:19 Only - 13:16, 34:11, 35:3, 45:11 Ooh - 6:2 Open - 26:12 Operate - 14:11 Opinion - 15:15, 15:22, 48:13, 48:19 Ops - 31:15, 32:21, 34:11, 40:8, 41:6, 41:7, 47:22, 48:4, 48:6 Order - 15:9 Orders - 14:7 Other - 8:13, 10:19, 11:3, 11:19, 12:25, 13:20, 15:4, 16:21, 21:7, 25:1, 30:17, 38:6, 44:9, 46:24 Others - 14:2 Our - 4:10, 4:16, 22:23 Out - 27:10, 30:19, 32:18, 36:10, 37:20, 39:11, 39:23, 42:14, 48:18, 50:17, 51:19, 55:12 Outgoing - 40:23 Over - 6:14, 7:13, 14:22, 15:3, 21:5, 22:14, 46:5 Overall - 4:4 Overtime - 10:7, 14:8, 15:4, 26:15 P Pad - 39:5 Paper - 38:13, 38:22, 47:19, 47:20 Paperwork - 26:19, 38:11 Park - 8:19 Part - 3:8, 35:1, 41:15, 46:8 Participate - 13:22 Participated - 26:24 Passed - 49:6 Past - 9:15, 43:11, 52:17 People - 4:14, 14:8, 19:18, 40:4, 44:15, 45:19, 46:22, 47:10, 47:13, 47:15, 49:3 Per -12:6 - 13:14 Perfect - 4:1, 7:11, 9:18, 11:6 Performance - 4:6 Person - 19:20, 21:13, 22:22, 28:5, 31:3, 32:16, 46:1 Phone - 26:11, 43:21, 50:2, 51:3, 53:9 Physically - 17:9 Pick - 26:11 Pictures - 16:23 Piece - 38:12 Place -4:13, 43:2 Placed - 16:4, 16:5, 17:2, 17:9, 18:16, 24:13, 24:20, 24:22 Play - 47:8, 47:9 Played - 48:18 Plaza - 13:24 Please - 3:16, 4:21, 53:10, 53:19, 55:9 Point - 17:18, 20:1, 49:13 Policies - 15:10 Policy - 12:7, 15:1, 28:12, 29:22 Positions - 8:11 Positive - 21:21, 28:12 Possible - 53:19 Post - 9:10, 9:20, 9:23, 14:6, 16:17, 19:21, 34:15 Potential - 52:7 Practice - 16:3 Prepare - 26:18 Present - 3:13, 17:5, 54:22 Pretty - 15:1, 36:18 Previously - 16:11 Primary - 10:5 Printed - 17:19 Prior - 12:3, 13:3, 17:21, 44:4 Prisons - 3:6, 6:9, 7:7 Private - 26:10 Probably - 30:19, 42:16 Profile - 22:22, 23:3, 25:19, 49:10 Protection - 6:22 Provide -4:9, 31:2 Provided - 37:6 Psychologist - 46:5 Psychology - 16:6, 17:24, 18:22, 24:15, 35:22, 35:25 Purpose - 7:1 Purposes - 23:13 Put - 17:13, 23:10, 31:25, 32:7, 32:17, 37:16, 39:17, 39:20, 39:21, 39:22, 39:23, 41:1, 41:13, 42:14, 44:24, 45:4, 47:19 Putting - 47:20 Q Quarter - 14:22, 15:3 Quarterly - 13:25, 14:18, 14:23, 16:16, 46:14, 46:16 Question - 10:15, 30:11, 35:3 Questions - 4:10, 4:20, 4:24, 9:18, 38:7 Quicker - 32:12 Quote - 8:25 R R&D - 22:17, 22:18, 22:20, 23:21, 24:5, 24:7, 31:5, 31:14, 41:6, 43:24, 49:1 Range - 10:9, 12:23, 28:19, 28:20, 29:10, 29:13 Rank - 7:8 Read - 7:22, 19:6 Reads - 37:4 Realized - 40:2 Really - 43:17, 49:14, 49:17, 55:5 Reason - 36:9, 47:4, 53:9 Recalled - 17:20 Receive - 6:4, 49:24 Received - 14:10, 22:24, 41:20, 50:13 Receiving - 17:21, 23:22, 42:5, 51:3 Recently - 6:12 Record - 3:17 Recorded - 3:15 Recorder - 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37:11 Wrong - 50:17 Wrote - 20:20, 35:18, 39:6 L Year - 6:14, 8:20, 15:6, 15:8, 53:23 Years - 43:11 Yellow - 39:5 Yep - 29:14 York - 3:5, 8:20, 12:11, 13:24, 13:25, 16:21 You'd - 51:21, 54:1 You'll - 9:17, 11:25 You're - 5:1, 11:20, 12:15, 14:13, 20:20, 22:6, 30:12, 33:12, 33:16, 37:10, 43:4, 45:5, 46:15, 47:20, 49:23, 52:2, 55:10 Yourself - 27:3, 43:2 You've - 11:21, 14:20, 49:8 0 00:06:26 - 10:1 00:12:00 - 15:19 00:42:20 - 48:8 1 1:50 - 20:16, 21:1, 22:14, 34:17, 48:17 48:22 1:54 - 22:9 10 -12:3, 25:20, 25:21, 25:25 - 5:12 10:00 - 28:24, 29:12, 34:9 100,000 -19:16 10th - 25:6, 25:15, 25:18, 26:5, 26:8, 26:9, 26:21 11 - 6:19 11th - 26:4 12 - 33:6 13 - 6:25 15 - 30:17 150 - 8:19 16 - 3:10, 52:13, 55:16 1600 - 33:14 1690 - 5:8 18th - 5:8 1980 - 3:25 2 2:00 - 13:18, 18:10, 20:25, 30:15, 30:16, 30:19, 30:20, 32:24, 33:18, 33:22, 34:3, 34:9, 34:15 2004 - 6:10, 8:3 2006 - 6:10 2007 - 6:2 2012 -6:11, 55:16 2016 - 8:8 2018 -8:24 2019 - 7:15, 12:3, 13:3, 18:7, 42:10 2020 - 6:12, 6:13, 6:19, 6:25, 9:3 2021 -3:10, 52:13 26 - 13:24 27 - 3:25 - 3:25, 5:15 3 30 - 44:5 30th - 17:23 33035 - 5:9 4 4:00 - 18:9, 33:23 4:38 - 3:11 5 5:27 - 55:15 6 6:00 - 13:18, 18:10, 28:24, 29:2, 29:12, 33:17, 33:22, 34:3, 34:8, 34:15 7 7:00 - 20:6 8 8/10 - 37:2 8/10/2019 - 19:13 8/9/19 -18:7 8:00 - 18:9, 20:6, 33:13, 33:23 80% - 31:5 9 - 3:13 9th - 25:6, 25:14, 25:16, 26:3, 26:8, 26:21 EFTA00061032