EFTA00082074.pdf

FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 6 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Omer. Ramey ti ff n .j ..... Date of entry 11 /26/2019 , hereto referred to as date of birth , was interviewed at One Saint Andrews Plaza, New York, New York. Present for this interview was AUSA -• AUSA -• Detective and . Also present for this interview was attorney Benjamin Margulis. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: currently lives in , where she works as a psychologist. She works with adult trauma victims. She has been living there for about 13 years. Prior to that, moved often during her childhood. She was born in When was in 3rd grade, her parents divorced and she stayed in the area. attended and graduated in went to school in Throughout high school maintained a journal. first heard of EPSTEIN from her sister during her junior year of high school. Her sister, , hereto referred to as , told her that she worked for JEFFREY EPSTEIN. Around December of 1995, when was 16 years old, told her that EPSTEIN was interested in meeting her. She said that EPSTEIN wanted to fly her out and help her with college. recalled that she was 16 at this time because she had taken a trip and she wrote about this in her journal. is 9 1/2 years older than her and at the time did not live near her. They talked a lot over the phone at this time. Prior to going to visit, wasn't sure what her sister's job entailed. just knew that was an artist and associated with rich people. and her sister had multiple conversations about the visit prior to actually visiting. Much of these conversations were about Investigation on 09/28/2019 m New York, New York, United States (In Person) File# 31E-NY-3027571 Date drafted 10/08/2019 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the moµ" ty of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents arc not to be distributed outside your agency. EFTA00082074 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E-NY-3027571 Comthwnthn of FD-302 of (U) Interview of the trip. EPSTEIN paid for a 09/28/2019 ,page 2 of 6 ticket although did not recall how she actually received the ticket. recalled the flight was after Christmas but before New Years Eve. It was a commercial flight but was not sure which airline or airport she flew out of. flew alone, which was not abnormal for her. This was her first trip to New York that she could remember. was with her sister the entire time in New York. They stayed at apartment in the west village. Twice during this trip saw EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN bought them tickets to see Phantom of the Opera. This was a big deal for and at the time. EPSTEIN's driver picked them up and drove them to EPSTEIN's townhouse. While at the townhouse, met EPSTEIN. At the house, saw his driver and another staff member. EPSTEIN was casual and friendly. They sat in his office and EPSTEIN asked questions about her future, and going to college. EPSTEIN talked about and stated he could pull some strings there. EPSTEIN gave a tour of his house. was very impressed. EPSTEIN gave and champagne. He then sent them off with the champagne. recalled taking the bottle home that night. The cork to the bottle went off in the middle of the night which scared them because they thought someone was breaking into apartment. They called the police. The second occasion she met EPSTEIN during this trip was at a public movie theatre. and took the theater. They went to see "12 Monkeys". subway to meet EPSTEIN at the movie EPSTEIN sat in between and inside the theater. vision was somewhat obscured of After the movie began, EPSTEIN put his hand on leg for her to hold his hand. They held hands, fingers interlocked and it was very uncomfortable for . EPSTEIN rubbed arm with his hands, and her leg and foot using his foot. recalled her memory was refreshed of this incident by reading her journal. When EPSTEIN engaged with he let go of hand, but would reengage after he was done with her. did not talk to her sister about this. At the end of the night, they hugged goodbye and EPSTEIN told , "Let's keep in touch". They continued phone contact after this. starting with a III area code back then. wanted this to go well because it was her left this trip believing he was going to recalled her phone number really liked EPSTEIN and boss and he could help them. help her with a summer trip. EFTA00082075 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E-NY-3027571 Comthwnthn of FD-302 of (U) Interview of 09/28/2019 ,page 3 of 6 returned to in January and went back to school. During this time period, she prepared and did research for her trip. looked up organizations for college, looked up Africa and thought of things to talk about with EPSTEIN. She talked to him several times via land line between January and April. In April, traveled to New Mexico. She remembered this was April because they went to see the movie "Primal Fear" and recently looked up the release date of that film. was still 16 at the time. At the time, did not realize that Mexico. At the time, • details. comfort. knew the name. was excited for MAXWELL would be there. could phone going go or not. about both and . EPSTEIN told her mother that was to be put with a group of multiple students in New Mexico. The was traveling to New mother spoke to EPSTEIN on the phone prior to this trip. was busy with school and not concerned about the knew GHISLAINE MAXWELL was going to be there which gave her had talked to a lot about MAXWELL and that's how she MAXWELL seemed to be the big sister type to to meet MAXWELL. recalled EPSTEIN saying that felt she had no choice about whether she mother spoke to EPSTEIN multiple times on the students were to be staying in dorms as this was supposed to be a student trip. MAXWELL was supposed to be a chaperone. recalled that she flew commercially and was picked up at the airport by a male driver. The driver waited for at the airport holding a sign with her name on it. This driver was a different driver than the driver in New York. was not sure how the ticket was sent to her. She believed she was there for an entire weekend. recently conferred with her mother on this time period. Her mother told her that she picked her up from school and drove her straight to the airport. returned home on Sunday. When she first arrived, met MAXWELL. She recalled MAXWELL had a British accent and was charming. MAXWELL already knew a lot about felt like she knew MAXWELL. MAXWELL gave a tour of the ranch. There was an old movie set on the ranch. It was a massive property. They took into town, and visited a natural grocery store. MAXWELL picked out a henna hair dye for MAXWELL and went on a shopping trip and thought that EPSTEIN was present for this. They went to a cowboy store and tried on cowboy boots. This made feel special. EFTA00082076 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (U) Interview of 09/28/2019 ,page 4 of 6 Back at the house, , EPSTEIN and MAXWELL stayed together in a small area, maybe a small house on the property. The ranch was currently under construction. At one point, MAXWELL told to give EPSTEIN a foot massage. MAXWELL showed/instructed how to massage his feet. was uncomfortable but MAXWELL set the tone with a joking tone and just followed her lead. talked with MAXWELL about what she wanted to do with her life, and about going to college. talked about her sister. They talked about school projects and homework that she had brought with her. MAXWELL knew that was a junior in high school because they talked about how the following year would be a senior and would need to start applying for college. talked about her upcoming track meet. , MAXWELL and EPSTEIN all went to the movies together. did not want to go but did not protest because MAXWELL was going to be there. thought that MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's girlfriend so therefore the same experience would not happen again. While outside the mall/movie theater area, MAXWELL joked with EPSTEIN and pulled down his sweatpants a little bit - MAXWELL "pantsed" him. Inside the movie theater, they saw "Primal Fear". EPSTEIN again held hand, rubbed her arm, and was not trying to hide this from MAXWELL. At some time back at the ranch, MAXWELL asked if she had ever had a massage. MAXWELL told her that she should get one, and offered to massage . MAXWELL set up the table in room area, but the table was still visible from the main living space at the ranch. was aware that the door was open and that EPSTEIN may have been able to observe this. For this massage, was either totally nude, or just in her underwear. At the end of the massage, MAXWELL had lie on her back and she pulled down the sheet so that chest was exposed. MAXWELL was rubbing around chest. was not sure if this was normal or not, but she felt uncomfortable and was concerned that EPSTEIN would be able to see this. This massage ended normally. A few months after this incident, recalled telling her then boyfriend about it. recalled to that she told him that EPSTEIN could see her during this massage. still lives in Arizona. did not recall any direct questions she may have asked about any EFTA00082077 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (U) Interview of other girls being there. ,o, 09/28/2019 m y 5 of 6 recalled one morning being in her pajamas in her bed, when EPSTEIN came into the room and got into bed with . EPSTEIN told her that he wanted to cuddle with her. did not want him to come into bed with her but he said it in a joking manner so she felt she couldn't say no. EPSTEIN spooned told EPSTEIN that she had to go to the bathroom to get out of it. MAXWELL was not directly in the room as this was happening but MAXWELL was in the area and aware of what was going on. It wasn't a secret between EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. did not discuss these incidents with EPSTEIN or MAXWELL. recalled that the last day on the ranch she was on an outdoor patio with MAXWELL studying using index cards. this point, MAXWELL seemed less interested in then packed up and the driver took her to the airport. When said goodbye to EPSTEIN, he told that they should continue to talk, and that they will need to talk about this trip they were planning. felt this trip was the "carrot" that EPSTEIN used to keep them talking. When arrived home her mother later told her that she was quiet. was not 100% sure if she had further contact with either EPSTEIN or MAXWELL from this point on. had no journal entries after the New Mexico trip. asked MAXWELL for help. At and her studies. eventually was sent on a trip to Thailand. While there, received a phone call from telling her that had just been assaulted by MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. told , "We are done with them". was in a panic and worried about and what EPSTEIN and MAXWELL wanted to do with her. In 2003, spoke with Vanity Fair (Vickie Ward) about this case. In 2006, spoke with the FBI about this case. In 2019, was interviewed by The New York Times, Radical Media (Netflix) and 20/20 all pertaining to this case. In June of 2019, New Mexico State Attorney's office scheduled an interview with which never happened. is willing to testify in a potential case against MAXWELL. During EFTA00082078 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 31E—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (U) Interview of ,o, 09/28/2019 , page 6 of 6 previous interview with the FBI she was hesitant to talk about MAXWELL a lot and may have minimized her involvement in fear of getting some details wrong. Additionally, knew that EPSTEIN was the "worst bad guy involved". then gave permission to speak with her sister, mother and ex- boyfriend. Her sister, is currently represented by counsel, and can be reached through contacting them. Her mother, , can be reached at . Her ex-boyfriend can be reached at EFTA00082079