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z/zWo 1 keicc5bir+ -tv EFTA00087617 LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LEFCOURT, P.G. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION NEW YORK, NEW YORE 10OE1 GERALD B. LEFCOURT SHERYL E. REICH RENATO C. STABILE A. FRIEDMAN VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District $ f Fl. rid West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Dear TELEPHONE FACSIMILE February 23, 2007 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. EFTA00087618 LAW OFIFICCS Olr GERALD a Lnecontr, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant: Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. 1 Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. EFTA00087619 • LAW OFFICES or • • GERALD B. Lzroourr, P.G. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 3 • Finall . ursuant to our r uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the and recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. • Very truly yours, Gerald B. • cc: fl uty Chief, Northern Region Federal Bureau of Investigation Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq • • • • EFTA00087620 EFTA00087621 Page 1 :N RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED :NTERVIEW OF warastrontmal EFTA00087622 DRAFT Page 16 1 and that, r don,t know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q Which was? 3 A 4 and -- 5 A And III. I don't know if has ever slept 6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was 6 always 9 girls. 10 Q 11 A working for him. And she wouldn't just bring She would work for him. Now much money do you think she made? I don't know. She never really the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. After that I think she started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the move you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. Mit -- 17 A Richt. I think she made 300 after that I think 18 she started making like 300 19 Q Does be make the girls touch him down there? 20 A I don't. know. 21 0 to that part of the message? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked we to touch him 23 or fondle him. He never asked me I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the other girls. It was never really brought up. 25 It wan always him touching then. Us. EFTA00087623 Page 1 • . • • . IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTBIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVTFX OF I I EFTA00087624 C 1 Q Ttroe hundred. And tnat wes the last tine you 2 went? A (Uodm heed yes ) ;.2 When he you didn't have 5 a bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra oi. You didn't have a bra on. And your. b.ctooks? 8 A Ct-huh Was that over your panties or under your panties? 1C A Like : have a thong on to. 11 Q You had thongs. Okay All right Old he pull 12 you close to him? 13 A Yeah. 14 0 And all this while he was 15 A (Nods head yes.) 16 Q Did he have you touch hits.? 17 A NO. 18 Q Aside from the massage, 19 area? 20 A Huh-huh. No. 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other _hen -- 22 A 23 0 24 A 2.; . Do you kno... Last name? EFTA00087625 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY E?STEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW 0? 1 EFTA00087626 DRAFT • • r • • 0 Page 1 Q Right 2 A They cover enough They don't show too much 3 Q Okay. You messaged him? 4 A Uh-huh. 5 Q Did he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 6 vibrators? 9 A No, Huh-huh 10 Q Did he ask you to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage. 12 Q I mean -- 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. 14 Q NO? 15 A t would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 Q Okay Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 0 Okay• And I mean, t mean by Colleting himself, did 18 he 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Co you know if he 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Nes that the only time you ever went? 25 A one time. 1 1 EFTA00087627 I Page 1 TN rot:: JI.,FiE1 EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00087628 DRAFT • • • • Page 12 A Okay. Ky bad. 2 Q I was writing that quickly, and I was 3 thinking 4 A Okay. That's fine. 5 Q All right. Was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 Q Curing tke lenhaegit47,440:hlatOneAink -Inn to 'touch". 9 him? . . • to A No 11 Q Did he touch himself? 12 A Yea. 13 Q Would he be just touching aimaelf or would he be 14 15 A He woul~, l6 Q Okay. How would you kr.ow that the massage was ,7 over? 18 A 19 Q 20 A Yeah. 2]. Q Again. I've talked to a lot of girls and so far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls that came to the 25 house? I • EFTA00087629 • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN . . • DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEF Cr -•• EFTA00087630 DRAFT Page 12 1 Q •Did' he ever sek.*Oi-tO tonal bin? 2 A No. (Inaudible) I Wee, eurprieed about that 3 because he never asked Out (inaudible). 4 27 pracyrvk DAWOCN: 5 Q Okay Eid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. He got in the shower 7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 8 Q So you can see -- the shower you corld see from 9 the room? 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you coma into his room there's a shower. As you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch 15 going around right here. And Us shower (inaudible) ha took 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable and I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you wanted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of you; you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 By DETECTIVE ■ 25 Q Okay •••••4•••••IIIIIMad.ligib•aroll. EFTA00087631 DRAFT 1 2 3 4 Detective reference case number 05-368. The time now. by my watch. is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;151O5. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family 7 Cerder, 8 UNK: Just 9 5 Okay, the Present also Is.. could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 C • S • • U S Spell your name please? And your date of birth? And you are? Family Therapist. Could you spell your name please? And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? Yes. Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly My I'm here is in 23 reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours. o• a girt you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00087632 E: Are you lying about anything? 2 ■ -No swear on the bible. 3 • Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • 4 M. I swear to God. 5 Okay. is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 M: No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 M: So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. • • 8 9 S Heck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... You know what having sex with somebody means? 10 •. Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 11 .; Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 M: At no time did i touch hit penis. 13 5 At any time, did he touch you.... . 14 At no time... 15 5 Besides pulling his hands... 16 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 5 Okay. And as far as you think..... 20 I think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but its the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 5 And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interv;ew. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 EFTA00087633 • • • • Page 1 :N RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERV:ZW OF EFTA00087634 A Yeah. DI1AFT Page 6 Ckay. 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that' I gave him 4 a massage The first time i went up with 5 Q Okay. You want upstairs with IIIIII? 6 A No, T was 11 the kitchen. 7 Q You were in the kitchen That was -- you only had 8 two times that you went tnere? 9 A Yeah. 1p Q the time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Who did you sit in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 15 was _i:ce two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Okay, Did yo:z massage his back? Was he naked 17 when you were massaging him? 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his upper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he over remove that towol? 21 A No. 22 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 lowe? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay.. ertd-yo eti! dfi -4,- --al EFTA00087635 1 Private area? D 1AFT Page ? 2 3 A Q No. Ho. I wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that.? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? 6 A 0 No. No. No. 7 A He kept like staring at Ire and like, I don't kdcw, 3 1 just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other 10 stories that like -- 0 Righl . I'm concerned with you. I know abort. 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people halm told me 12 different things. ?hat's why I'm trying to find oat whet 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Oh-huh. 15 0 You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying 16 tc find cut what happens to you 17 A eh-huh. 28 0 nay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 29 • This girl that lives with him. • Clay. So took you 4p? 21 A Yes. 22 0 Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a manage table and she just 24 laid a tower down and she said that 3e1(rey will be oLt EoL 25 ais massage. 1 EFTA00087636 • • • • • 2 EFTA00087637 DRAFT 1 2 3 4 .: Detective 5 • I.D. OM reference case number05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family • 7 Center, 8 UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also is.. could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 • Spell your name please? 13 14 And your date of birth? 15 16 •: And you are? 17 :amity Therapist. 18 M. Could you spell your name please? 19 20 And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 • Yes. 22 • Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, o• a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 • EFTA00087638 DRAFT 2 3 4 5 N. 6 7 tqlkiPtS;• YetrOktfli7iii4vaadtittifideiStrx 441 . • .• 8 ■Heck.noff I tivill.sWeekon.nty indiffeesiravin: • •' 9 t41-1 MOW 164fatina9911i4X 491ZiOnei:;0•Cly:iticii0 10 Yes, I know what baiting sex witli somebody rheartiat-. 11 Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 At no time did I touch his penis. 13 At any time. did he touch you..... 14 At no time... 15 Besides putting his hands... 16 ■ Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 • Okay. And as far as you think... 20 I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 21 made when he was (riaudible). 22 And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the Interview. she time 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 Afe you lying about anything? No. I'll swear on the bible. Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. I swear to God. Okay. Is them anything else you'd like to talk tome about? No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. EFTA00087639 • • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VTD3OTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087640 DRAFT Page 21 1 A (Shakes head no.) 2 C Okay. 'his case is basic/Illy ao irvestigationt 3 an opal; investigation, An T appreciate it want we discuss stays hero. Ckay? 5 A Jt-hvh. 6 0 Don't tell anybody that we, tnat we talked. Okay? 7 A Okay. 8 Q Did you. ever have.any,intesoourse with hie? 9 A 13 Q Nt oral? 11 A IChakes head no.) 17 Q Nothing? 13 A Xothing else. 14 0 Okay. 7'm going to show you a group of 15 photographs I'm going to soow you a group of six :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this 17 is in these six photos Okay? It's important that you look 18 at all six of then arc ba sure 'to you pick as the person as 1? . Okay? She may or may not be in these six photos but 20 it's important for you to pick the right nne. 3key? 21 A Jh-huh 22 Q take your time looking et those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her. 21 Q She not ir those photos there? _ rinrergewronnintnnurrrnragrstimarstwirerssera=" 25 A No 1 4 A EFTA00087641 I • 3 • • • • • • • • EFTA00087642 • • • • • • DRAFT 1 Defective 2 3 4 • ID. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 8 minutes past 2pm on 3:15/05. (Inaudible) 7 8 UNK: Just 9 • Okay, the Present also is...could you elate your name 10 please? 11 12 13 14 15 1B 17 18 19 20 21 22 U U Spell your name please? ▪ S U U • • U And your date of birth? And you are? a Family Therapist. Could you spell your name please? And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? Yes. Okay. I'm here today; and I have staled briefly why I'm here is in 23 relevance to an Incident that happened to a mend of yours, rapid you Iciovr. Pap 1 of 43 EFTA00087643 • DRAFT Okay. After everything was done, okay, did he watch you get dressed? 2 • No. Cause I was getng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. Theis the any thing he came back In with. le 4 wassail in a towel and stuff. 5 In the room, al all, do you think „and i don't know if there is or not, but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? 7 Oh my gosh.... B A video camera... B Oh my gosh. I ddn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have I C been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... t • When he walked out... the reason why I ask is because he walked out once and 12 then came back in, right? 13 Yes. 14 • So K could be Just so he coukl whack off. I was just curious. 1 don't know if lb there is or not 18 If there was. I did not know about It. • 17 • Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is that woman again? 18 • Downstairs talking to and the other girl. 19 Okay. 20 They were having a conversation. 21 • Okay. Al any time. did he speak to you or does he know how old you are. did he 22 know how old you were? 23 Okay. Yes. And, as a matter of fact= Soktmeith sin l walla because , Page 38 of 43 EFTA00087644 DRAFT • 1 sae tell hirniydit.kiline)bitise >thins not, ner woriktetisWititliause 2 So I said hews IS. 'Ililtiritti:giOnglk Siva maSsagCha wås t* howöld it 3 you, And then Was saki it really fast becautiei l ofeel want«, 'make tt sound Nei watlyIng it anything. • So what other things did he ask you? 5 E: Um, hew I know M, what school I went to. 7 ■ Ni you tell him what school you went to? 8 Yeah but t told. hin- iididnItehhltien .* Did he-Si you whatigiSdnyotiirereildnaitryenliBil hIrrrtiehat gait youSre in? it e: Yeah. he was like what gradestelbu In? • Because-I tordihim I warn 12" glade '2 sal is • Okay. ' 4 • Because I told him I was 18 so I had to... ' 5 • So you told him you were in 12" grade? • Yea 1 7 ft Are you sure? 18 Yea 19 E. May. What else did you talk about? 20 e: Urn, that's about it. Md he was kind of asking me like how I knew M, is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 kind of like, how do you know Cause I brought up the conversation. tie • 23 said well I know because shies been working for me for a lorg time. And Page 39 of 43 • EFTA00087645 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTE DI DRAFT TAPED INTERVIGN OF ee rary EFTA00087646 DRAFT • • 1 BY DIT8CrIVE 2 Q You said he 4 A rn lever area 5 Q Your lover area? Below your waist? 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 NY DETNOTIVI 8 Q Okay. Eow long did he 9 A A few seconds Not long It wasn't Long. 10 0 Dkay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell him no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable I wasn't 13 comfortable but T didn't tell him that And like I said, I 14 made the stoney that day so. . 15 0 Did yot guys discuss, anything? 16 A Hub-huh, 1/ Q Did he ask you your age? le A Yeah. I told him I was 18 19 Q You told hie you were 18? Okay. DLO he want you 20 to come back? 21 A Na said ha would love if I coma back sometime but 22 I never vent back. 23 Q You never went back. You only went one time 24 What vas and doing when you were 25 upstairs? EFTA00087647 • • • EFTA00087648 • DRAFT Page 12 or be didn,t care? 2 A I don't thitiA ha cared. Mc told re the younger 3 the better. 0 The younger th► hatter? All right. A Pretty such that'. bow it worked Oa didn't -- 6 let es just put it this way. be -- I tried to bring hie, I 7 tried to bring him a woman who was 23 and he didn't really $ like it 9 Q Ha didn't go for it? 10 A Et'e not that ha didn't go for it. It's just that II be didn't dare for it And ha lilted the girls that 22 between the ages of like is and 20 13 Q Okay 14 A But ffielatly the stint I -- I think seed of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started off young I 16 think be know better to belieVe e* I think kie knew that I 17 was younger, like 37, but I told him that I was like IS 7.8 Q Okay 19 A Mosciof the girls lied whoa they ge to there, 20 0 Right. Because she was le.. 21 A Yeah. Witte! them./ believe lied. 22 0 Bow do you contact kin? now do you know when he,a 23 in town and stuff like that? 21 A 25 Q Ob. calls us Calla you? are EFTA00087649 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFEEY EPSIZIN DRAFT VITIT,0TAIW) INTERVIEZ OF • EFTA00087650 Page 14 1 A Yeah S:00 more just to take my shirt oti. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do it. 3 A No. 4 Q Okay. rid or the secono 'ant^ 5 A Yeah. 6 Q And d_d he ever 7 A Actually the second tiro 2ikc it waau'l that bed 8 betas,. as was like on the phone all the time and so hs 9 wasn't paying atienziao to what was going on. 10 Q Did he ever at any point the second 11 time'? 12 A No. Mot that I remember 13 Q Cid he over ask yoc any quostiona or speak to you 14 or ass you anything? :5 A well. he tried to talk cc yet just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wre-e do you work and 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start le saying you can mace more wLth ne, tut i didn't tees LIAO it 19 Wild clght. 20 Q Did he eve.: know your real age? 21 A After c while like becatuie somebody told rim. 22 0 Itet you wet: -- 23 A Yeah. 24 0 -- 17? 25 A Like US. we were supporied to nay vs t • EFTA00087651 Page 15 1 wort 10 2 C hot who to_d you that to say Oat? 3 5 A was the oau who brought everything to 6 everyone at school That's acw we know smut it Then she 7 took and took me 9 Q Okay. So oath time you did go, did get 9 money tor taking you or -- A Well, 10 went with Re twice 1 glass. And that 11 was it. Then I want w_th 12 Q Okay. And did she make money? Did IIII make 13 money for taking you to him? _4 A No, I ass taking her. tR Q Oh. you ware ta ng bet So you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and ere ask me if I could toll 17 he: because she didn't know waste it was But I didn't get money out- of that. 19 0 Okay. bid anybody suer help you do a massage 20 him? 21 A No. Mi asked,* do it with her and T didn't 22 feel com£o:tsbte 23 0 al1 right. All right lalk to me *boar the third 24 tiro you went. 25 A 1 don't remember :t was like kind of always -- Z.••••••••• • 1 1 EFTA00087652 1 TN RE: JEFIREY EPS= DRAFT TAPED TPTERVIV OP 1 EFTA00087653 DRAFT 2 1 7 3 A Q A Page 13 Okay. Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 4 like he had been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you kno 7 A I think it was 9 probably. 0 Okay. As I told you before and I explained to 10 you woe, what he did was wrong, okay? 11 A Uh.hub. 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave your 14 phone number or -- 15 A to Ha didn't aak ne for anything like I think 16 be asked ma my name in the beginning 17 Q Did he know your age? 18 A I don't taint -- he did. I think he did. 19 Downstairs was like oh,. well, if tMy ask you ho0 20 old. are you just way you're 16 but he never asked ne how old 21 1 was. 22 0 Okay, 23 A I thought you had to be a'elitalivage to mi,s4se 24 someone, 2S 0 Do you have any formal massage training, EFTA00087654 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN eee | fas DRAFT VEDEOTAPED INTURVIEN OF [i EFTA00087655 DRAFT Page 9 1 Q Okay All right Rhen you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it waintain the same or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that 7 Q Okay Is it safe to *sane, that you provided the 8 manage wearing ocly panties? 9 A Yee. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 ha ever touch rata 12 A Like I moan he would like :ouch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it 14 Q Okay. 15 A And if Ismerlikeasked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't went you to touch 17 me, he'd be like fine. (inaudible.; 1.8 0 Aral this all occurred when you were 18 though, 19 right? 20 A ub-hub. I bad bead 1$ for like eight mouths, nine 21 months already. My birthday's leo I had boon 19 tor 22 a while. 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Y04. Y114. 25 0 it was about a year ago when you met him. 4 EFTA00087656 • I I EFTA00087657 DI1AFT Page 1 that's it / lust told bin -- 2 Q Did he come up bare or did you meet with Le in 3 Florida? 4 A He care up have. Q oh, he cane up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He sec you right here? • 8 A Not here I didn't went to meet. I met hal at 9 Val-Matt and I just -- he just kept asking as questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Has he an investigates/ Wes he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't chink he wa■ an attorney 13 because be kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jef£'s attorney so I don't think he wan an 15 attorney. 16 BY DETECTIVE 17 Q What kind of questions was he asking? If the 18 police were involved? 19 A Yeah If -- how the police got involved I said 20 I don't know What kind of questions they were asking I 22 said I don't know because I haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like bow old I was whet I went there and basically 23 like you guys are asking what I did when I went there 24 sy cracrIVE 25 Q Wow how old were you when you first started going EFTA00087658 f S ff •Il• OM% •••••Wle ••••///••••••••••,,Ilma•• -ea //so wly 'icy pee /astral Am mpl sr risyb 'uTube not oe zno oonossmo on ;/ .ioo0 0 Pr RA1108120 al3 EC 'on pm, 'p/moo ag ;T an wpm aH obt V Zr cuolevesonuoo eye admi eç pus b It moox y Ot irtwuTY isq am0* aç pm b fit Appinlvg ao Renal ova 1/ Penn 'ow/ pe/ y 9I zunq 2usi noA eTql sew yaw *Amp 0 LT V 9T grxi-411 e SI -- Ill PT 8.1I 'aolewnu a41 19I ItT4I .g. 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Ho had a towel over hie private 19 parts and he wan just laying on the table and I was just 20 massaging from his knees down for about 45 minutes and she 21 said all : had to do was give hie a passage for en hots so 22 that's who: I did. And then like ter antes before we were 23 getting ready to leave he asked her to !eawA because we were 24 in the room together snd ell I has to de was manage Ills 25 chest and that's it. }e had the towel cn him and about five EFTA00087661 ••••••• IMO •••••••••••••.• Page 1 1710 RE. J2PPRIZY EPSTEIN DRAFT 2Alie2.) IN'-'1.1.8 V LEM OF EFTA00087662 Page 1 night want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked re about what : wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and i asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically. 5 illt i AS 7 Q 8 A tib, I don,C.thlekSO.c. • 9 q Weil it wou:d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was almost a year eco. (Inaudible) 12 D. 13 0 Okay. During the naesage did you -- were yoti 14 naked 15 A No. 1 had my clothes on. 16 0 You had all your clothes on? 17 A Oh-huh. 18 G Okay. Did he touch you in any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could toll I was shy so I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take oft tteir 23 clothes and stuff. 24 0 Okay. What that was the first time you went, 25 right? 1 EFTA00087663 I 4 • • • • • • • • EFTA00087664 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087665 DRAFT Page 6 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A $300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never was there ever a 4 time you felt uncomfortable? A No. Like I'm very comfortable with like he asked me that too and he's like are you uncomfortable and like as 7 weird as it sounds I'm very comfortable with myself so like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money so, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time so I did 1c what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, so it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. I EFTA00087666 • • . Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087667 Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were more things A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot of times or whatever but that was that. never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. • Q Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I mean he would like touch my hip cr whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it. 11 Q Okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch • 17 me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) 18 Q And this all occurred when you were 18 though, 19 right? • 20 A Uh-huh. I had been 18 for like eight months, nine 21 months already. My birthday's in so I had been 18 for 22 a while. 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Yes. Yes. • 25 Q It was about a year ago when you met him. EFTA00087668 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW CF 4.01(..... 18.4. - • . EFTA00087669 Page 14 • • • • • • • • want to tell you any wrong information. 2 Q Okay. That's fine. 3 A But I don't -- 4 That's fine. You have not had any contact with 6 A No. Only thing I know of her is that 1 guess 7 she's working at (inaudible) now. 8 9 10 11 3.2 13 14 IS 16 17 18 9 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Did you ever leave your phone number for him to call you? A No. He never had my number and I never had his number. Q Okay. A He'd call through O He'd go through . And you never gave any money? A Huh-huh. Q Okay. BY DETECTIVE • Were you afraid when you were in there? A I wasn't afraid. I guess I should have been (inaudible) but I wasn't afraid but I wasn't very comfortable. Q Were you afraid to say no to anything? A No. I could have said no but at that time I was in debt. I was in a lot of debt and I needed that money and • EFTA00087670 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087671 DOM Page 15 Jeffrey's. 2 Q Okay. Obviously this is an ongoing investigation. 3 I would appreciate it if anybody does call you from the 4 house to try to find out information or ask you questions 5 about what if the police have contacted you, I would appreciate it if you called me. You have my card, right? A I have it somewhere. I'm not sure what I did with it though to be honest. Okay. 10 A Thank you. 11 Q Okay. Just a few more questions. 12 When you had intercourse, obviously that was 13 consensual? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q Okay. He's never forced himself or forced 16 anything on you? 17 A No. 18 Q Did you bring anyone to the house? 19 A Yes. I brought two people but each of them only 20 went once. 2: Q Okay. Who were those people? 22 A A girl named 23 Q Uh-huh. 24 A And a girl named 25 Q And? I 1 EFTA00087672 • Page IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • DIIAFT • TAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA00087673 DRAFT Page 5 1 But I haven't because I haven't known him that long. 2 Q Okay. Your first time you went you just sat in 3 the kitchen and waited for , correct? A Uh-huh. Yeah. Plus he wanted to meet me. 5 Q Okay. As you've gone, tell me has anything 6 escalated from just a massage? 7 A No. Like the first time I went, I waited. The second time I went, I stayed in all my clothes and like gave 9 him a massage. And then I think it was probably the third I 10 time I went he asked me if I'd like to get like more naked 1 : or whatever and I said no. I just didn't feel comfortable. 12 After that he never asked me anything that made me feel 13 uncomfortable. 14 Q Do you give the massage in your 15 A No. 16 Q Completely clothed? 17 A Completely clothed, yeah. 18 Q Okay. 19 A I mean he's asked me but I said no because I just 20 don't feel comfortable doing that. 21 Q Has he touched you? 22 A No. 23 Q Has he 24 A The closest he came to touching me was giving me a 25 hug goodbye. But not inappropriate (inaudible). undergarments? • EFTA00087674 Page 11 1 2 3 4 6 • 7 8 9 • 10 11 12 • 13 11 15 16 17 18 • 19 20 21 • 22 23 24 25 Q Massaged what? His -- A His back and his lower back and his feet. Q All right. Okay. Have you ever seen him naked? A No. in a towel but that's it. Q That's it. Has he ever touched you? A No. Q Has he ever touched himself while you were massaging? A No. He was mostly like on the phone. Like my friend told me, he's perverted but he's never that way toward me. He asked me once. BY DETECTIVE Q What did he ask you? A He asked me like the third time I went there. Q To do what? A If I wanted to get naked or do anything more and I said no and I think he could tell I was like uncomfortable with it so... BY DETECTIVE Q Okay. All right. So aside from and Jeffrey, did you meet anybody else in the house? A I meL -- yeah, but I don't know like I didn't meet them but I've seen them. Like I was never formally introduced but I've seen a little like short -- I don't even know. Some lady out there didn't speak that well English EFTA00087675 Page • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087676 • • • 7 3 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 6 1 Q Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 2 how were you contacted? 3 A Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 4 asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 5 Q Okay. A And called me and told me that Jeff had wanted me to come back and then I went down there. Q Okay. Do you recall when this was? A No. I know it started like this time last year because I think about January is the last time I went when I met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. Q So January of this year was the last time you went? A Yeah. Q Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you to come A (Inaudible.) Q -- tells you to come to the house to provide, to work? A Uh-huh. Q Did anything happen during that massage? A No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel 1 EFTA00087677 • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 3 5 7 B 9 10 11 12 1 3 14 15 16 17 18 29 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 uncomfortable. Q Was that on the second massage? A No. Probably about towards the end because I was fully clothed until the third massage. Q Okay. A That was the massage. That's when just I did it in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I didn't feel comfortable with it. • Okay. So you recall both -- the first two times? A Uh-huh. Q Did he touch himself during the second massage? A I guess kinda he would sometimes. • What do you mean? A Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest then he would. Q Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? A No. Q Okay. The third time you went, how were you contacted to go? A called me again. I 4 • EFTA00087678 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF • .,...., ..-...40071••••••••••••••Wv7e,VAPAI • EFTA00087679 Page 4 1 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 2 why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 3 about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 4 people already who have told me what transpired in that 5 room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 A Well, the first Lime I went there I did a massage 7 and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 8 like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 9 stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept IC looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 11 like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 12 was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 13 said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 14 And he was like why are you like being shy and : was like 15 oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 16 and he started talking about other things. And then when we 17 were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 18 more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 19 talk to and I could come back. 70 Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? 22 A He was asking about -- i.L was a year ago. I don't 23 remember everything but... 21 Q Right. 25 A He was just asking me if I had any friends that EFTA00087680 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED :NTERVIEW OF EFTA00087681 DRAFT Page 7 Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to 2 touch you? A While he just before he started to rub his nipples he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. I'm fine. I'll continue to give you a massage but I don't want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because before she told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he 10 started to touch me and he kept after that. 11 Q Okay. He touched your buttocks? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Did he 14 A i would not let him. No. 15 Q Okay. And you mentioned your breast area. 16 A Right. 37 Q Did he try to touch your buttocks under the shorts 18 or -- 19 A At first it was just outside my pants and then he 20 tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans so he tried to go 21 like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I'm 22 not comfortable. 23 Q Okay. He put his hands under your shirt? 21 A. Correct. 25 Q Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? EFTA00087682 5 • • • • EFTA00087683 • Page 1 • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087684 9 10 11 12 13 :4 15 16 17 :8 3.9 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAF T Page 5 A Yeah, just to bring a girl. Q And the girl that was going knew that she would 3 have to massage him? 4 A She knew everythid . She knew everything. 5 Because that was one of Jeffrey's rules-. 114:had a probleth 6 wfth girls coming to the house that didrifft _know, what they were getting into. He would met yob know/ make sure these girls know what I expect. }lag' sum *hey know what they want. Because 'then th1154 get Ai that mOtIEZ don't want -- they need to know. As far as case, she knew everything she was getting herself into. It was all volunteered. Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to do? A I told her the same thing. I told her I -- you know, this guy Jeffrey -- she came to me saying she needed money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I was like, you know, the more you do the more you make. That's it. You're going to have to take -- you're going in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus on her way home she kind of told me what she did. EFTA00087685 • • • • • • DRAFT Page 13 A calls us when she gets in town. calls 2 us to let us know when he's available. 3 Q Oh, okay. 4 A I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he 5 was in town when I used to work for him but primarily 6 would call us to let us know when he's in and when he wants 7 people to work for him. 8 Q So she would call you and say okay, he's coming in 9 Friday? 10 A Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. 11 Saturday around 12. 12 Q Okay. Let's talk about for a minute. Okay? 13 A Okay. 14 Q at the time was dating your cousin, right? 15 A Uh-huh. 16 Q Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She 17 knew -- did she know you worked.for Jeffrey? 18 A I told her. 19 Q You hid told her you worked for Jeffrey? 20 A Uh-huh. 22. Q And did ybu tell her what it entailed? 22 A (Nods head yes.) 23 Q Okay. So she knew that? 24 A She knew everything before she even agreed to it- 25 Q So She knevY there 'wat going: to hate to he seine ..a EFTA00087686 DRAFT Page 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 kind of -- A Contact. Petty Much, yeah) 'Tctaid her. I told he exactly what his expectations.were. ,Ztold her what goeS on:with the girisIthat tIP.,:therd I told her lik*' your call. I was lii,Recf#,yds wart tb do this, fine. If not, fine. St Olen yoy 4O'im Shat roans f-d0n't want to hear you say oh, 1 d/dir':n know he- was going to do all that because I'm telling you now whet hes,::-.blipectlng. Q And basIcally itiktaudhitIV7 A Fondling. Q Fondling? A Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember the more you do, the more you make. But that's up to you. She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn't, I wouldn't do more. Q Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you wouldn't do more. A No. Screw that. Q But as far as is concerned -- A Yeah. Q -- what did she tell you that happened in that room? A Exact words? If I can recall when she came downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I believe it was I was with, we all walked out. We got •Ipla ••••• .... EFTA00087687 DRAFT Page 18 1 A What do you mean? Q Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you 3 approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach? 4 A For the most part because like I said, two were my 5 friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a 6 little more easier talking to them about it because I knew 7 them. Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath 9 because I can see you working up again. You're working up 10 the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like 11 that. 12 A I pretty much would just ask them. 13 Q Straight up? 14 A If you're looking for extra money let me know. 15 This guy down in Palm Beach, he's really, really, really 16 wealthy. You have to give him a massage. That's all I 17 would tell them. Then if they were interested or told me, 18 yes, I want to do it, I would go in detail with them before 19 they would actually agree. If they told me, oh, that sounds 20 good, I'm interested, then I would tell them okay, I want to 21 let you know this is what you have to do. This is what is 22 going to go on. 23 Q Did you tell them that you were going to make 24 money for bringing them over? 25 A Most part I believe they knew. knew. EFTA00087688 UllAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 35 you're breaking me off more. And they did. And after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working after she started agruing. That's the only problem that I can think of. DETECTIVE : So when you -- to be specific, when you took somebody, they knew they would have to ge.4:haked they:wpuid Hay" to massage him. THE WITNMSS: They kilevis.Wilact, they were getting into prior tb showing up. That was Jeffrey's rule. Tell them what they're getting into because I don't want an -- DETECTIVE : Argument. THE WITNESS: Yeah. DETECTIVE : And is now, is 17. When do you think you took her there? In order of events, when do you think you took there? THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her there. It was her -- I took her probably like 8 months ago. It's been a while. It's been a while. I don't know the exact dates because, like I said, I haven't contacted him in a while. But it was a while ago. DETECTIVE : Now does she live near you, EFTA00087689 Page IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF t dtki,,r.ui•u•K•lai...V.Ii• EFTA00087690 DRAFT Page 1 A Me and both sat in the kitchen that day. 2 Q Okay. So is the one that worked? A Yes. Q Okay. Each girl that you went with, , those are the ones that did the work? 6 A Yeah. Q And sat in the kitchen? A That one day. When I was -- 9 Q Okay. -Acrd 4g tbu 4ny -torlveASations, in the 10 car with either Or that may 11 have had with them as far as what to expect? 1.2 A I think I remember telling that if he 13 tells you hey, you know what I mean, if you want to do 14 anything else you're still free to say no and he'll, you 15 know what I mean? He would -- something to the extent where 16 like hey, if he's like will you do this feel free to say no 17 and he'll be okay with it pretty much. 18 Q Okay. And what you mean by he wants to do this, 19 it's more than a massage? 20 A Right. 21 Q Okay. What do you know of that goes on up in the 22 massaging or working -- 23 A Nobody ever wanted to tell me anything. Just that 24 they were giving massages and that was it. I didn't even 25 want to really know too much. EFTA00087691 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF I 4 I EFTA00087692 • • • 0 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 4 to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she 2 said. Just he asks the girls to take off their clothes and give him a massage and he likes watching them I guess. Q Okay. , I've talked to a lot of girls and I pretty much know what goes on, okay -- A Uh-huh. Q -- to some extent. So I want you to feel free to talk to me without any problems. Trust me, there's nothing you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked to a lot of girls that visited the house. So this girl took you. A Uh-huh. Q And told you for -- a massage for $200. Did she tell you you'd have to provide the massage naked? A She said that I might have to take off my clothes but that I'd be able to leave on my underwear which was true. • Okay. So talk to me about the first time you went to the house. A I went -- went in with me and brought me upstairs to the room that's like off to the side of his bedroom and showed me how to set up the table and where all the lotion is and everything. And then she went outside to wait for me. Q Okay. EFTA00087693 'rape: Date: Time: Participants: PBPD & October 11, 2005 4:10 p.m. Det. DETECTIVE (introduces the recording and asks most questions) Bet. : DETECTIVE 2 ` F R I E N D Abbreviations: Lii.• unintelligible // = voices overlap DRAFT Transcript 1 October 11, 2005 PBPD el EFTA00087694 DRAFT 1 Um, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm 2 almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have to go to school 3 the next day. Urn, and definitely wasn't a Friday. So it next 4 Saturday night after that. She set it up, and I picked her up from 5 the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, urn, 6 and he paid her three or four hundred dollars to bring me. 7 8 DETECTIVE: Okay. 9 10 And that was it. 11 12 DETECTIVE: All right. Urn, and this was a year and a half ago, correct? 13 14 Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 15 16 DETECTIVE: //Okay. How old were you when you first, uh, went over there? 17 18 If it was two years ago I was sixteen, if it was a year and a half, I 19 would have been sixteen or seventeen, I don't know. 20 21 DETECTIVE: Okay. 22 23 Like, I really don't know. 24 25 DETECTIVE: Okay. When you first went to give a massage, urn, you were 26 explained that, it was just a massage? 27 28 Just a massage. 29 30 DETECTIVE: Okay. Did she explain, urn, how you would have to be dressed to 31 give a massage? 32 33 She said that he wanted cute girls, so I looked cute, did my best, I 34 didn't — I•didn't think that it was what irwas. I'!wasn't naïve 35 enough.to think that he was gonna pay.metwo•hundted dollars just 36 for nothing, [stutters) LI don't know, like I don't know what was 37 going through my head. I absOlutely'don't lcnpw. And I - the back • 38 of my mind I was thinking,, oh; btu 1 39 was also.thinIcing; youltnow,.at the same time,-is she -fucking 40 crazy? Like, this guy's not gonna pay you money for not doing 41 anything, not letting him cop.a feel or nothing. You know? So I 42 didn't know what to think, I was like oh, I'll just go and I'll feel it 43 out and if I don't like it, I'll leave. Like, in the middle of it, like I 44 don't care. If he does something that I have a problem with then 45 I'll leave. 46 Transcript 4 October II, 2005 PBPD et EFTA00087695 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087696 • • DIU 2 3 Page 17 I can't (inaudible) money. Q Would he ask, ask you obvioutly if they were cool with it or felt coMfOrtable With it? 4 A Uhhuh. And like I:vbaldialwaye :te3A ttlethi.rO 5 know, what the situation was bedaute liketwasnYt told. told.the 6 whold -- at first S was not torn the wholeAltUatiolis 7 Q Whit did tell you tiou .would: lave' to %do? B A Illigtold me I would 'tut take my Shirt off and 9 give a massage and that was the end, 10 Q Topless or a bra? 11 A Topless. 12 Q Okay. 13 A So that was it. 14 Q Okay. Was there ever a time that you ever told 15 him hey, I'm not comfortable with that? 16 A The first time he asked me if I would take my 17 jeans off and I told him I wasn't comfortable with that. 18 Q Okay. 19 A I think that's really it. 20 Q Again, you're not in any trouble. I'm, I'm just 21 trying to -- 22 A Uh-huh. 23 Q Was there ever a time that he ever tried to touch 24 your vagina? 25 A Yes. •lL—Ws• • EFTA00087697 • Page 1 • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087698 • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 A Q A Page 3 Seventeen. You were 17. Okay. And you went there with whom? 4 Q brought you? 5 A Yes. 6 Q Okay. Did she tell what were -- um, what you 7 were required to do? 8 A She said that I could giOe Jeffrey a massage and 9 that he would pay me to do that. t_didn't havt 'to do 10 anything with him. She said tilatAie might ask me to take 11 off a piece of clothing if that was okay with me. She said 12 if not, I didn't have to. 13 Q Okay. So when did you go? 14 A When? 15 Q Yeah. When was this? 16 A I don't remember. It was a long time ago. 17 Q Was it a year ago? 19 A It was a long time ago because -- 19 Q More than a year? Less than a year? 20 A It had to be in November or December. 21 Q Of last year? 22 A Yeah. 23 Q Okay. 24 A And it was after November. 25 Q When you walked into the house? 1 EFTA00087699 • • • • • • • D 1 1 Page 11 A Uh-huh. Q What school did you go to? A I went to (inaudible). Q Okay. So you have your high school diploma? A Uh-huh. 6 Q Okay. You understand all these questions I'm 7 asking you, right? 8 A Uh-huh. 9 Q Okay. Like I said, I know some of this stuff is to hard to talk about but it's important because basically 11 you're a potential victim here. 12 A Uh-huh. 13 Q Okay? What kind of panties did you have? Was it 14 a thong underwear or regular panties? 15 A A thong. 16 Q It was a thong. 17 BY DETECTIVE 18 Q Did he ever tell you to wear anything specific? 19 A No. Actually I was just wearing jeans and a 20 shirt. I mean I wasn't dressed in any certain way. 21 BY DETECTIVE 22 Q Okay. Did she explain to you that you may have to 23 take off your clothes and -- 24 A She said I may have to and said if I didn't want 25 to that I don't have to. EFTA00087700 • Pace 1 • • • • • • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087701 • • • • • • DRAFT Page 3 raise your right hand for me. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? A I do. 5 Q Okay. In your words, tell me exactly how you met 6 this gentleman in Palm Beach. 7 A My friends, well, not really friends. told me in class that she found a way of making money. You 9 can get money. And then she said that if I ever told 10 anybody she'd beat my ass and so I didn't even know what she 11 was talking about but I was like okay. She said this guy's 12 house, a place where old guys are. And just massage him for 13 45 minutes and get $200. And so she picked me up after 14 work. We went down there. Right before we got in there 15 she's like oh, he might ask you to like take off your shirt 16 or something. But I didn't -- it didn't matter so I said 17 okay. And I went in his house. A lady escorted me up to 18 his room. Had a bed on it. 19 Q Okay. Let me back you up for a second. 20 A Oh-huh. 21 Q You said this was right before Christmas. 22 Christmas of last year or the year before? 23 A Last year. 24 Q Last year. 25 A Uh-huh. b•••••51 cf. I stitid=a0 EFTA00087702 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT I TAPED INTERVIEW OF ns...•••111.1CS.IC-.....C., at FIAlhaaandt•JILL.JUo.4..han- EFTA00087703 • • • • • • • DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 13 was working for him. A Yeah. Everybody knew that. Q I know that. A So I just was like I don't know .your that well. We wanted to make M4ney off, of me :and . I just Wanted to go with bdcause she kneW hith and she knew like the situation so I went with her. o How far has gone with him? A She really doesn't go into detail. I mean I know she's gone farther than me but she doesn't really go into detail about it. Q Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to this statement? A No. DETECTIVE : No. Okay. At this time I'm going to go ahead and conclude the statement. The time by my watch is 12:10. (Thereupon, the interview ended.) EFTA00087704 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT 1 TAPED INTERVIEW OF 1 UnftWaYVS44.11.041.1,141 •tvoN,tecnimmakOle.a.rp.A.•,..iuda EFTA00087705 • • • • • • B 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DRAFT Page 3 1 information and we are conducting an investigation. We were 2 here last night, spoke with your mom and dad. If you can 3 just start from the beginning as to how you met him. 4 A Okay. Q And how it came about. 6 A I met him through my friend Okay. How long ago was that? A It was probably about almost a year ago. Q Okay. Okay. A And he -- I went there once with her and she gave him a massage and then she asked me if I wanted to do it and then I did it or whatever and then after that like he kind of scared me when I went there so I just decided not to go back. Q Okay. The first time you went with , did you go upstairs with him? A No, I stayed down in the kitchen. Q Okay. Did tell'you that --.- what was entailed as to what had to be done? A Well she said the first time you go it's just like a massage and she said like well, the more you go supposedly the more he like expedts and starts flirting with girls and that's what kind of like scared me. Okay. I've interviewed other girls and they've told me pretty much the same thing about the massage but tharuna.tal.tinuregiaamsaiwiestaintwac.m............mure4 EFTA00087706 DRAFT Page 4 1 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 2 why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 3 about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 4 people already who have told me what transpired in that 5 room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage 1 and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 8 like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 9 stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 10 looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 11 like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 12 was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 13 said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 14 And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like 15 oh, I don't know, And then he would like change the subject 16 and he started talking about other things. And then when we 17 were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 18 more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 19 talk to and I could come back. 20 Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 21 you were massaging him? 22 A He was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't 23 remember everything but... 24 Q Right. 25 A He was just asking me if I had any friends that 1 SC. EFTA00087707 DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 5 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then he asked me about what I wanted to do when I grew up and stuff like that and I asked him what he did and he said he was like a scientist basically. Q Okay. Did he ever ask you how old you were? A No. • No. Did he know that you were 17? A No, I don't think so. • Well it would have been 16 if it was a year ago, right? A Well it like was almost a year ago. ;Inaudible) 17. Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you naked or -- A No. I had my clothes on. Q You had all your clothes on? A Uh-huh. Q Okay. Did he touch yOu in any way? A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I was like you could tell I was shy so I think that's why he didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that he got flirtatious with then and he made them take off their clothes and stuff. Q Okay. What -- that was the first time you went, right? T I • rao Tad. T L C.4 EFTA00087708 DRAFT Page 8 Okay. Have you received any massage training? A No. Q No. I have to ask. Was one of the two girls that was in the 5 kitchen with you? 6 A Yes. Q Okay. Did you ever go back to his house? 8 A Well, I just went there twice. 9 Q Right. io A After that -- 11 Q After that you've never come back? Never went 12 back? 13 How much did you receive for the massage? 14 A Two hundred. 15 Q You received 200. 16 Okay. Did explain to you what was going to 17 be involved? 18 A She said the first time you go there you pretty 19 much just give a 'massage, but the more you go there like the 20 more he expects. And that's it. That scared me. 21 Q That's what scared you? 22 BY DETECTIVE 23 Q Did she say (inaudible) or did she (inaudible -- 24 A SaY didn't have to 'say it exactly but she implied 25 like, you know, like takingyour.dlothes Off and fluff kilts 4 3 EFTA00087709 IMAFT Page 9 1 2 3 4 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that. BY DETECTIVE • • Okay. So you didn't remove any of your clothing? A No. Q What were you wearing? Can you remember? A I don't know. It was a long time ago. I don't remember exactly. Okay. A I don't want to tell you wrong. I know. And I know you already told your mom what happened. And like I said, I know this is hard for you but... A I was just scared. I just didn't want my name to like -- Q Don't worry. You're not the only person I've talked to. Okay? There's a lot of people that I've talked to and I'm going to talk to. How did you get to his house? A With in the kitchen. took you the first time and you sat A Yeah. Q What about the second time? A The second time I drove and she came with me. Because I didn't want to -- a I EFTA00087710