EFTA00093476.pdf

• We have never met before, right? • This is our first time speaking, right? Past Statements about Epstein/Maxwell • You testified earlier that you first went to Epstein's house in Palm Beach when you were 14 years old, right? • And you went with , right? • And when you got there, you say that you saw Ms. Maxwell? • And you said that Ms. Maxwell told to tell you what to do, right? • But Ms. Maxwell didn't say more than that, right? • She didn't go upstairs with you, right? • She wasn't there when you left, right? • She didn't pay you, right? • You didn't see her again during that first visit, right? • You testified on direct that you went to Epstein's house in Palm Beach to provide him with sexualized massages over 100 times? • And during those 100 times, you rarely saw Ms. Maxwell, right? • And it was almost always just you and JE in the room alone together, right? • Ms. Maxwell wasn't in the room, right? • She never was present for any sexual encounters you had with Epstein, right? • You testified that both Maxwell and a woman named called to schedule appointments to massage JE, right? • It was almost always , right? • You went to Epstein's house for years, right? From when you were 14 to 18 years old? • And your testimony today is that you saw Ms. Maxwell around the house in the first several months, right? • And then she wasn't around, right? • She never picked you up and brought you to his house, right? • You testified that you brought girls to JE's house? Who did you bring to his house? When did you bring them? [After the time when you stopped seeing Ms. Maxwell at the house, right?] • You testified earlier about your a right? When you met you told him you were 16 years old, right? But you were actually 13 or 14 years old? • So you lied to about your age, right? • When you were 14 years old, when you met M, you had big breasts, right? • You looked older than 14 years old, right? • You looked around 18 years old, right? EFTA00093476 Differences Across Interviews • Do you remember when you met with AUSA and the FBI agents that they would ask you questions and you would give answers to those questions? • Do you remember that they would take down notes of things you said? • • You testified earlier about giving a massage to one of Epstein's friends, right? You told the Government previously that Epstein set up the massage, right? But you testified today that Maxwell set it up, right? o Which one is it? o In July 2020, you told the Government that right? You testified today that right? Which is it? • Testified earlier that GM was in touch with you and calling you and making appointments for Meals Previously told gov't that GM was in touch with you and making appointments fotnonths? Other times told them GM was in touch with you for 'months? o Whic • Testified that ame in a package, right? o But when met with Gov't you told them that Epstein gave you thea, right? o Which is it? • You can't remember details from meeting to meeting in last year, right? • But expect jury to believe remember things with precise detail that you didn't report for 20 years? • Never went to law enforcement when happening? Never spoke to prosecutor's office when happening, right? • Not only didn't you tell police, but you didn't tell people closest to you, right? • Didn't tell your mom, right? You lied to her, right? • And even when you first spoke to law enforcement about JE, you didn't mention GM, right? • You get premonitions, right? Like strong feelings or senses of when things are happening, right? • You are certain that the clocks in the massage room had cameras, right? o So if no camera in clocks, your memory can't be trusted, right? • And the FBI was always watching the house when you went there, right? o So if FBI was not across street watching, means your memory can't be trusted, right? EFTA00093477 • And testified earlier that you saw photos of Maxwell pregnant, right? Photographs of the woman sitting in front of you pregnant, right? In the house, right? My client, right? o So if she was never pregnant, means your memory can't be trusted, right? Substance Abuse Issues • • At the time that you testified that you were going to Epstein's house in Palm Beach, you were using drugs, right? [Which drugs?] • You were addicted to drugs, right? • You were addicted to the drugs at the time you were going to Epstein's house in Palm Beach? • You were high when you were at Epstein's house, right? • You took drugs before you went to his house, right? • And you've struggled with drug use since then, right? • Addicted to drugs for years, right? More than 1 year, right? More than 5 years, right? More than 10 years right? • Lot of people there, right? • Dealt with multiple people? • Interactions brief? • At the time you were going to JE's house, you were dating =, right? He wanted you to go to the house, right? So you could make money and buy drugs? • You were both using drugs then, right? • You've continued to struggle with addiction, right? • You've had relapses, right? Cocaine, right? Other substances? • You also take Xanax, right? What for? • And Doxepin, right? What for? • Also use marijuana, right? When last use? • You take methadone, right? • You take methadone to help with your drug addiction, right? • And you have been taking methadone for at least eight years, right? • Methadone can have long-term impacts on memory, right? • Did you take methadone today? Yesterday? The day before? • Now I'm sorry to ask about this, but I have to. You also have a variety of mental health issues, right? EFTA00093478 • • Even today right now, you have days and moments where you hear things that aren't there? Arrests/Convictions • • • o You represented X box to be yours, right? But it wasn't, right? o You were willing to lie to get money for the X box, right? • You've gone through some difficult experiences in your life, right? • You've been M IE=1 right? right? • You have a complicated relationship with M, right? • • He treated you poorly, right? • He was sneaky, right? • A liar, right? • has used a lot of drugs over the years, right? Which drugs that you know of? • When ou were 13 ears old ri ht? • When you were 13 years old, t Time lapse in coming forward • You were interviewed first interviewed by the FBI in 2007, right? • And during that interview you told the FBI about Jeffrey Epstein, right? • You told the FBI about massaging Epstein, right? • You told the FBI about a woman named = right? • You told them that called you to schedule massages, right? • You told them that photographed you nude, right? • You didn't say anything about Maxwell then, right? • And about 13 years later that's when you first came forward with information about Maxwell, right? EFTA00093479 • And you've had time to think about Maxwell since you started meeting with AUSA , right? • And now you've just started to miraculously remember details about Maxwell, right? • You came forward when the case was public and in news, right? • Around that time that you came forward, you put in a claim for a victim compensation fund run by Jeffrey Epstein's estate and got millions of dollars? dollars, right? • What have you done with that money? • Give some to MI EM? • This trial is just ano er opportunity for you to make more money off of this? • You never mentioned anything about Maxwell until she was already indicted, right? • Enough for you to go after Epstein? • But not going to go after the defendant to get money? • Gov't has been good to you right, pay for family to travel to NY? Agreed to testify to get a paid vacation from the Gov't, right? Lies under Oath • You testified that you Epstein back it= right? • You were deposed, rig t. eaning Epstein's lawyers asked you questions, right? • You were asked questions under oath, right? • You testified earlier that when you were deposed, you said you didn't get paid for sex acts when you worked for the escort service, right? • And you said that was a lie, right? • And you said that under oath, right? • Just like you are under oath today, right? • Now you sued Epstein, right? Also sued =, right? • But didn't back inM? • You testified on direct that you didn't.her b/c you didn't know you were allowed to her, right? • But you coulaEpstein? And you could`? • But it's because GM wasn't important, right? o You testified earlier that GM wasn't important, right? Prep • AUSA asked you questions — not the first time you had heard some of those questions • You had heard a lot of them before, right? • Most of them? EFTA00093480 • AUSA heard your answers, too, right? • And she gave you feedback on how to answer questions, right? • Fair to say that a lot of what happened on direct was not a surprise • You knew what to expect • You had prepared • You practiced what you were going to say, right? • Sometimes, when AUSA didn't like an answer you gave, she would stop and discuss what else you might say right? • You met with the government before testifying here today, right? • How many times? • Once? More than once? More than 5 times? • How long was each meeting? • Fair to say, you spent hours rehearsing your testimony here today • Now, you first spoke to AUSA in the summer of right? • Ms. Maxwell was already indicted, right? • The government was focused on building a case against my client, right? • Well, they asked you questions about my client, right? • You've met with AUSA and the FBI several times, right? Over that time, you've formed a pretty close relationship, right? • You really want to help the Government today, don't you? • You would like the defendant to go to jail, wouldn't you? EFTA00093481