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be N Ww ws Oo OY ~] oO WO Ww a OY 20 21 22 23 24 25 Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 465 LBITMAX3 point. Now one might have al concerns, but is there a legal right now in talking to me is just identi there a legal sense in which you're prof as an victim of the crimes cha ll kinds of Filed 11/15/21 rged, setting aside you don't Page 75 of 127 75 fF moral judgments and Ll sense in which the government fy the person, or is fering this individual have an answer yet as to whether they may meet some basis for restitution should the det MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor, illustrate, Fenda nt be convicted. for identification purposes and because victim's testimony will that conduct is as a direct result of in a way that closely mirrors the way access for Mr. Epstein to the other minor THE COURT: That is an argument about of unwanted conduct, and the way in which sh the de the de I'm using that term both I think, as the she will describe a course came to engage in vic fendant's behavior fendant secured tims in this case. consent being the basis for which -- we have put it aside to 412, but asa general matter you have argued consent is irrelevant because the age of consent is the only thing in issue charges, but you're saying th relevanc testimony turns on the government sexual conduct? MS. MOE: Ee] No, your Honor, of for these this individual's stablishing nonconsensual I'm simply explaining why we are using that term "victim," because that's the way she characterizes that experience, and I think that will come SOUTHERN D STR CT REPORT ERS, (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00007126