EFTA00111421.pdf

1 2 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 5, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Phone: APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE 3 1 MR. The recorder is on. My 2 name is , and I am a senior : 3 special agent with the U.S. Department of 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General. New 5 York Field Office. And these are my 6 credentials. 7 MS. : Okay. 8 MR. : This interview with 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, e? 10 MS. 11 MR. 12 MS. Yeah. 13 MR. : Is being conducted as 14 part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, 15 Office of the Inspector General, DOJ/OIG 16 investigation. Today's date is August 5, 2021, 17 and the time is 12:59 p.m. This interview is 18 being conducted at the Metropolitan 19 Correctional Center, or MCC, located in New 20 York, New York. Also resent is DOJ/OIC 21 Special Agent . This interview 22 will be recorded by me, SSA 23 Could everyone please identify themselves for 24 the record, and spell your last name? To start, 25 again, I am DOJ/OIG Senior Special Agent, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 ir : This is DIU/OIG Special Agent And these are my MR. credentials. MS. MR. yourself? MR. IIIIII: Could you -? IIIIIIS. : My name is IIII MR. position? MS. MR. Correct? MS. Yeah. MCC. Okay. And can you identify And what is your am a general maintenance. • Here at the MCC. MR. Perfect. Thank you. And this is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the surrounding circumstances, and you are being asked to voluntarily provide answers to our questions. Will you agree to a voluntary interview with the DOJ/OIG? MS. : Yes. MR. Awesome. So, we're just EFTA00111421 S 1 going to read this form. It's just in regards 2 to voluntary interviews. Everybody that, you 3 know, gets these. United States Department of 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, 5 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 6 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. 7 "You are being asked to provide information as 8 part of an investigation being conducted by the 9 Office of the Inspector General. This 10 investigation is being conducted pursuant to 11 the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. 12 This investigation pertains to job performance 13 failure and security failure. This is a 14 voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not 15 have to answer questions. No disciplinary 16 action will be taken against you if you choose 17 not to answer questions. Any statements you 18 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 19 criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary 20 proceedings, or both." And the waiver section 21 says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances 22 stated above and I am willing to make a 23 statement and answer questions. 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MR. No promises or threats 6 1 have been made to me, and no pressure or 2 coercion of any kind has been used against me." 3 So, you can take a second, if you want, to 4 review it. I did just read it verbatim, but -- 5 MS. : That's okay. 6 MR. : -- it says employee 7 signature there, if you agree, and then, 8 employee's name, and just print right down 9 there. 10 MS. : Okay. 11 MR. : And then, we can fill out 12 the rest of the form. 13 MS. IIII: Do you have a pen? 14 (Indiscernible *00:02:51) opposite. 15 MR. : Thaniiiiiiver much for 16 signing. This is, again, and 17 I am signing as the signature of the Office of 18 the Inspector General, Special Agent. Now I'm 19 printing my name. I'm writing in the time as 20 1:00 p.m. And it is again -- 21 MR. ..ugust 5th. 22 MR. : .521, At MCC, New 23 York. Special Agent , could you 24 please sin as -- 25 MR. : Yes. 7 1 MR. -- as the witness, and 2 print your name, please. 3 MR. : This is . I'm 4 signing aiiiiiiiiiiitness. 5 MR. : Did you understand that 6 form? 7 MS. : Yeah. 8 MR. : Do you understand 9 everythin is voluntary? 10 MS. : Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11 MR. : You could stop at any 12 time? 13 MS. : Yeah. 14 MR. : You don't have to answer 15 our questions. Before stariiiii'd like to 16 place you under oath. Ms. , can you 17 please raise your right hand? Do you swear to 18 tell the truth and nothing but the truth during 19 this interview? 20 MS. : Yes. 21 MR. : Thank you. Please let me 22 know if you don't understand any of my 23 questions, and I'll rephrase or ask in a 24 different_t2i. 25 MS. IIII: Okay. 1 MR. 2 address? 3 MS. 4 MR. 5 MS. 6 MR. 7 what is your data th? 8 MS. 9 MR. 10 number. 11 MS. 12 MR. 13 cell phone 14 MS. 15 MR. 16 level of education? 17 MS. : I have my bachelor's degree. 18 MR. And where do you have 19 that from? 20 MS. 21 MR. What college? 22 MS. 23 MR. 24 MS. : Yeah. 25 MR. And criminal law? And 8 What is your current home And And your social security And what is your current And what is your highest Criminal law. EFTA00111422 9 10 1 where is 2 MS. 3 MR. 4 MS. 5 MR. 6 MS. B yeah. 7 MR. • Okay. Cool. When did 8 you receive that bachelor's de 7 9 MS. : I started here So, ■ 10 11 MR. 12 MS. 13 MR. 14 MS. 15 IR. : So, you think you finished in 16 17 MS. IIII: Matter of fact, 18 Yeah. One of those two. 19 MR. : Sorry. I'm going to turn 20 that down because I don't think that's going to 21 pick - hear what you're saying - up. 22 MS. 23 MR. 24 MS. 25 MR. located? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. MS. MR. enter on MS. MR. Yeah. : Okay. • Great. And -- Yeah. -- what did you -. So, 1 2008 is when you think you finished? 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. : What did you do prior to 4 working for the BOP? 5 MS. : What do you mean? Like -? 6 MR. Did you have an 7 employment rior to working for the BOP? 8 MS. : Oh, no. 9 MR. Okay. So, this was, 10 like, your first job? 11 IIII: Oh. Well, I was working at 12 cosmetics and stuff, like, with makeup 13 artists and stuff -- 14 MR. • Okay. 15 MS. -- and then, after that, this 16 is my firiiiiiiiiliob. Yeah. 17 MR. : Okay. Do you have any 18 military service? 19 MS. : No. 20 MR. How long have you served 21 with the Federal Bureau of Prisons? 22 MS. years. 23 MR. • How many? 24 MS. mmiut, like, how long I've been 25 working here? Illyears. 13. Mm-hmm. • And do you duty date? Yes. 1.11M ay. remember when you graduated from Like, the ear? MS. : I know it was in March because And that's all I can remember. MR. MS. MR. 11 remember your o you BOP training? • Woulliiiillave be And that's yeah, • Okay. So, about March MS. Yeah. MR. And what is your - again - your current position with the BOP? MS. : I'm a general maintenance. MR. : And what does that entail? MS. IIII: General maintenance, we work, some of us, we do floors, walls, doors, maintenance plumbing, painting, you name it. Even electrical. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12 MR. So, basically -- MS. A little bit of everything. MR. -- almost as the description. MS. Yeah. My boss is calling me. MR. You know, by the title, general maintenance, any general maintenance of the MCC? MS. IIII: Oh, I'm sorry. Say the question ijair MR. : So, the maintenance of the MCC? MS. : Yes. MR. • Okay. Great. And are you familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? MS. ain't recall. MR. : Yes. Do you know if he was housed at the MCC in July and August of 2019? MS. MR. MS. MR. : If he was here? • Yes. Yes. July and August. Yes. • Okay. And what was your position at the MCC in July and August of 2019? MS. IIII: The same position. EFTA00111423 13 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Indiscernible *00:06:37 -- MR. The same position. MS. -- yes. MR. • Okay. So, how long have you been in that position? MS. IIII: I've been in this position - 021 - I got promoted to that in I don't remember the date. It's MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. before that? MS. MR. MS. department. MR. promotion. MS. MR. MS. MR. Yes. Yes. Okay. So -- -- right before then? What was your position : I was a facility assistant. Okay. : Working for the facility Okay. So, this was a What is your grade level? : Now? • Mm-hmm. WS-8/S. Okay. So, eight, step 1 five? 2 MS. : Yes. Eight. Step five. 3 MR. : Okay. Did you have any 4 interactions or involvement with Epstein during 5 his stay at the MCC? 6 MS. : No sir. 7 MR. : No. Did you even see 8 him? 9 MS. IIII: I did see him. But, you know, 10 not see him close by, but probably if I did a 11 job in Nine other than that, no. 12 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. So, you didn't, 13 like, speak with him -- 14 MS. : No. 15 MR. -- or say hello or 16 anything? So, when you say you saw him, where 17 would you have seen him at? Sorry. 18 MS. IIII: On Nine South. That's the only 19 place -- 20 MR. Oh, Nine South. 21 MS. -- yeah. 22 MR. I'm sorry. I wasn't sure 23 what you said. 24 MS. : Oh. 25 MR. : So, in the SHU? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 15 MS. MR. : Okay. Do you know if you worked at the MCC on August 9th and 10th of 2019? MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. If he worked? If you worked at the MCC. ust 10th? August 9th. I did not. • So, the Friday before he was found in a cell. MS. IIII: I don't recall if I worked that Friday, but I know for sure, August 10th, that Saturday, I did not work. MR. : Okay. MS. : Those are my off days. MR. : But would you have typically worked on the Fridays? Monday through Friday? MS. IIII: Yes, I do. My schedule is Monday thiiiiiiiiiiay. MR. : Okay. So, do you believe you probabl worked on that Friday? MS. : Yeah, I probably worked. MR. : Okay. August 9th. Okay. 16 1 And during that time, do you remember what your 2 duties and responsibilities would have been, if 3 you were -? Were you acting for anyone, or were 4 you doing -? 5 MS. IIII: I don't reca was acting 6 for anyone that day, for Mr. , my boss. 7 I don't remember if I did. I he was here 8 then. No. 9 MR. : So, 10 office assistance froma 11 Was he your supervisor? 12 MS. : Yes. He is. 13 MR. : And what was your 14 position? What was his position? I'm sorry. 15 MS. : He's the facility manager. 16 MR. Facilitiesiiiiiir. 17 Okay. And it was from him to a : 18 MS. : Mm-hmm. 19 MR. Is he someone who also 20 works under him? 21 MS. : Yes. 22 MR. And the only reason I'm 23 sending you this because it was an out of 24 office automatic out of office assistant from 25 to saying, EFTA00111424 17 1 "I will be out of the office on Monday, August 2 5th through Friday, August 9th. I will have 3 limited phone and email access. Acting for me 4 is Ms. 5 MS. • Mm-hmm. 6 MR. -- on Monday, 8/5, and 7 Tuesday, 8/6, and she can be reached at -". 8 And then, it says a phone number. "And/or via 9 radio track four. Wednesday through Friday, 10 Mr. IIII (Phonetic Sp. *00:09:10) will 11 be acting, and he can be reached at -". It 12 says a phone number. "And/or track four, via 13 radio." So, it doesn't say that you were 14 acting for him, but do you remember, at all, 15 acting for him on that Monday and Tuesday of 16 8/S and 8 6 by chance? 17 MS. : No. 18 MR. : No? 19 MS. I don't remember anything like 20 that. 21 MR. : And would you act 22 regularly for Mr. , back then? 23 MS. Yes. 24 MR. : Yes. Okay. And do you 25 have any reason to believe you were not acting 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 18 for him? MS. IIII: That was two years ago. I don't reall MR. : Oh, absolutely. MS. -- remember that. I mean, you know, if I did, I would be, like, yes, I did, but I don't remember. MR. : Sure. MS. Almost receiving the emails, or MR. : And I don't expect you to. Here, ust so you know that -- MS. Thank you. MR. -- you could look at it just to make sure. Maybe that will help jog iiiii memory. When you're an acting for Mr. , specifically back in August, what would that mean? What was your duties and responsibilities be for when you're acting for him? MS. IIII: So, it will be, like, any case of an emergency. Especially plumbing, that we have, a lot of plumbing situation, the whole entire building. Everybody calls for is not here. I'm the one that responds, 19 1 and I have my other foremans. I will do the 2 work. They do the work. So, we'll work 3 together. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MS. : Anything that happens. Like, 6 an emergenc 7 MR. 8 MS. 9 MR. 10 facilities? 11 MS. : Yes. 12 MR. 13 MS. 14 MR. 15 MS. 16 MR. Right. Okay. So, would 17 the cameras - if there were problems with the 18 cameras - would that fall under your purview, 19 when you were acting as the facilities manager? 20 MS. IIII: Well, if I was acting, there 21 was a problem, situation with cameras, yes. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MS. : But, of course, I would 24 definitely call my executive, then. You know, 25 and ask them to, whatever situation, but at • So, emergencies -- You know? -- with regards to Okay. It's a facility only. • Okay. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that being, I never had a situation with cameras. MR. Okay. MS. : Since I've been, act. I don't know. I do recall had a situation -- MR. MS. MR. ot i v •e MS. MR. MS. MR. position? MS. IIII: His position It's a communication tech. MR. : Okay. MS. : So, he's - if there is any problem with the phones, radios, or cameras he will report it. 20 like, if I that I never MR. MS. MR. Okay. with cameras. Soiniiiiiood. And when acting for Mr. , would this report to you? Yes. He would -- Okay. -- report to me. And what was his Okay. If there is anything problems. So, he was responsible is a Comtech. EFTA00111425 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 21 for the cameras at MCC? MS. IIII: Well, he works with the cameras. Anc ., MR. : Okay. Are you aware that the cameras were not working properly within MCC on Au ust 9th and 10th of 2019? MS. : No. MR. : So, even at this point, you weren't aware of that? MS. MR. news anythin MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. • No. No. I don't -. • Have you heard in the about -- No. -- cameras being down? : Oh, you don't even know - -- that now? Not in the news. No. : Okay. Telemundo? No. : Okay. But you said that would have been responsible for fixing the cameras if they did go down? 22 1 MS. IIII: Well, he does fix the -. You 2 know, he works with the cameras. So, I believe 3 he will be, you know, responsible for - not 4 responsible - he works with the cameras, so -. 5 MR. : Yeah. Well, if he wasn't 6 responsible who would be responsible? 7 MS. : That would be -. 8 MR. : If they went down, who 9 would fix them? 10 MS. It would be 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MS. • But if there's something more 13 than that, then our manager will make an 14 executive decision where, if we need 15 contractiiiiiiiiiiihing, I'm not too sure. 16 MR. : And who would be the 17 manager? 18 MS. Mr. 19 MR. : Okay. So, if you're 20 acting for him, and you said that if something 21 happened, you would report it up, who would be 22 that mana er? 23 MS. IIII: Oh, who will be my AW, at that 24 point. 25 MR. : Okay. Would that be an 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 23 AW that you would -- MS. : Yes. MR. : -- report to? MS. : I would definitely. I will not make any decisions like that, big decisions, if I would have a situation like that, I'm going to contaciiiiiiiiii. MR. : Okay. So, the facilities manager re orts directly to the AW? MS. : Mm-hmm. MR. And who would that be, at that time? In Au ust of 2019. Would it have been MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. MR. was between or -- Is it -- -- what's the other one? -- it begins with all MS. : No. was with -. I don't think was with -. was with her. With us a coall of weeks ago. But before, I don't think • -. I think it's between , and there was two. There was another 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 one. MR. I think • just started like, that week. Maybe. MS. IIII: She just started. Yeah. So, she wasn't our AW. MR. So, she wouldn't have been there. MS.,: So, the only person I got in mind is MR. Okay. MS. And that's it. MR. Okay. Fair enough. So, if a problem was to have occurred with the stem, you would have reported that to Yeah. 24 Okay. But you're unaware that there were any problems with the cameras when you were, at all, in August of 2019? MS. : Absolutely. MR. : So, did electrician technician, or a coms tech, ever inform you that the cameras were not working properly, during that week of August 9th, 2019? EFTA00111426 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 25 MS. IIII: No. I did not have any conversation with anyone about no cameras. No. MR. : So, and you're position he never brought -- MS. : I'm positive. MR. : -- that to your -. You're positive. Okay. MS. IIII: And if he did, you know, not to me. MR. : And so, if there were a roblem, who would have he informed, if Mr. was out, and he didn't report it to him? MS. IIII: The higher ups. The AWs. That's the next rank -- MR. : All right. MS. : -- that we would go to. MR. : And do you think that he wouldn't have reported it to you? Would have he one directly to something like Ms. MS. MR. problem with MS. MR. • If he what? : So, if there were a the cameras -- • Mm-hmm. -- and he reported it up 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 MS. He would report it to us. MR. : Would he report it to you, or he would go directly to the AW? MS. IIII: He would probably - yeah - he will go to me and the AW. Like, he's a communicator. He's like that. MR. : So, if he's saying that there were problems with the cameras, and he did report it up, but he didn't report it to you? MS. IIII: No. That day, I don't - no - I don't remember an thing having -. MR. : Or the - yeah. I know you were the 5th and 6th, and what I'm talking about was more, like, the 8th and 9th. MS. : Oh, well, so, no. MR. : But during, earlier that week, when you were acting, I'm just wondering, that maybe he report it to you? And you're certain of that? MS. MR. MS. of problems. • I'm positive. : Okay. • I've never dealt with any type 1 MR. 2 about Mr. 3 2019 -- 4 MS. : No. 5 MR. : -- knowing that the 6 cameras were not working properly? 7 MS. : No. I don't. 8 MR. No. Do you know anything 9 about if was instructed on August 9th, 10 2019 to -- 11 MS. 12 MR. • -- fix the cameras the 13 following day, on August 10, 2019, when he 14 reported to work? 15 MS. : No. 16 MR. : So, you don't know 17 anything about that? 18 MS. : Hmm-mm. 19 MR. : What is your thoughts, if 20 that was what was to have happened, if Mr. 21 knew - and if you were acting, at the 22 point, and this is now theoretical -ifygu 23 were the acting supervisor, and Mr. knew 24 that the cameras went down August 9th, half the 25 cameras in the MCC, including all of the 27 r Do you know anything ing sent home on August 9th, 28 1 cameras in the SHU, or just about all the 2 cameras in the SHU, were not recording, what 3 should have he done? 4 MS. IIII: Well, I know for a fact, if 5 there was any type of deficiency or anything 6 with the cameras, he would definitely report 7 that. I don't know. He would speak to the 8 manager in re ards to that. 9 MR. : Okay. But again, you 10 were never aware that any cameras weren't 11 working? 12 MS. : No. No. 13 MR. I mean, should have he 14 fixed it on the spot? 15 MS. IIII: I mean, I don't know if it was 16 broken or not. So -- 17 MR. What -. 18 MS. -- if I wasn't aware of that. 19 MR. No, no, no. I'm saying, 20 if - no, the were - so, the cameras -- 21 MS. : Okay. 22 MR. -- were broken. They 23 were not recording. 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MR. And was EFTA00111427 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 29 responsible for them. MS. : Ri ht. MR. : So, we're trying to figure out what course of action should have he taken? He should have reported it up. Should have he fixed -? Should have he left the institution without fixing them? MS. : No. Of course not. MR. : Okay. MS. : But my thing is, I didn't know that there was a camera situation. MR. : Absolutely. MS. So -- MR. : So, that's why we're saying -- MS. IIII: -- if he had an issue, he knows, you know, what to do. So, I can't answer for him. MR. : But you can answer as an acting -- MS. : Absolutely. MR. : -- manager. That's what I mean -- MS. : Yeah. MR. : -- what I'm asking you -- 30 1 MS. : Absolutely. 2 MR. : -- is, again, you weren't 3 acting those days. What I'm asking you -- 4 MS. : No. 5 MR. : -- is, as someone who has 6 acted in that position, what should have he 7 done? So, he's already said he knew it. He 8 went home. 9 MS. : I don't know if he said that. 10 MR. : No, no, no. I'm telling 11 you. 12 MS. IIII: Oh, okay, okay. I'm, like, I 13 don't know. 14 MR. : But he's saying that he 15 did report it to a manager, and they said that 16 to leave and fix it the following day. 17 However, we haven't talked to any managers that 18 he's told. So, that's where I'm trying to 19 figure out -- 20 MS. : Oh okay. 21 MR. : -- who would have he 22 reported that information to. Because he can't 23 remember what manager it was. 24 MS. IIII: Like, we only got two managers. 25 One manager and one supervisor. And that would 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 day. 25 31 be Mr. (Phonetic Sp. *00:17:09) and Mr. MR. MS. wasn't here. No, no, no. I think - I don't think he was hired at that time. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. works, at the time, week. MS. 1.1m-hmm. MR. : So, but he didn't speak to you? MS. MR. : And you definitely -- MS. I don't remember that. MR. -- didn't tell him -- MS. MR. -- come back the next MS. IIII: No. • So, and that's it, and -- was -- -- and that -- (Indiscernible *00:17:15). . -- to put a wrench in the one. And both yourself, and was acting for him that 32 1 MR. Okay. And who had access 2 to the camera system? In August of 2019, 3 specificall August of that week. 4 MS. : I don't know. 5 MR. Leading up to it. 6 MS. Not myself. 7 MR. You didn't even have -. 8 MS. : I do not have no access for no 9 camera. 10 MR. Do you know how someone 11 would be able to take them offline? 12 MS. : I have no idea. 13 MR. No? So, you're not even 14 familiar -- 15 MS. 16 MR. 17 issue? 18 MS. : At all. 19 MR. Okay. Do you know if 20 anyone could have intentionally taken the 21 cameras offline? 22 MS. : No. 23 MR. No. Do you know if 24 could have intentionally taken the 25 cameras offline? -- even if there were an EFTA00111428 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 33 MS. : No. MR. : So, you don't even know, is what you're saying? MS. : No. MR. Do you have any reason to believe that anyone intentionally took the cameras offline, or stopped them from recording on or around August 9th, 2019? MS. : No. MR. Do you know anything about cameras going down prior to August 10th, 2019? MS. : No. MR. : Do you know if any steps were taken to correct the problem of the cameras goin down? MS. : No. MR. Do you know that we have - there's a new camera system in the MCC? MS. IIII: If I do know that there's a new camera system? MR. : Do you know if there is a new cameriLlystem at MCC? MS. IIII: I know there's new cameras at MCC, as of now, yes. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 34 MR. And do you know when that occurred? And the new camera system was put in? MS. : Months ago. MR. So, this year, though? MS. : I'm not too sure. MR. Okay. MS. : If they started last year or this year. MR. Sure. And are you involved at all with the documentation for when cameras -- MS. N MR. -- go down, or maintenance? No? : No. MS. MR. documentation? Who would be in charge of MS. MR. . It will beliiiii;ager. Mr. . MS. MR. Okay. If the camera system was outdated and needed replacing, who would be the people that would be in the know? MS. : The comtechs. MR. The comtechs. And then, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 35 who? MS. : And then, Mr. MR. And then, who? MS. : And then, the AWs, and it goes up and up and u MR. MS. The warden. -- and up and up. MR. Oh, okay. And what about the captain? Is he involved with that at all? MS. : He should be. MR. : Okay. Do you know if Mr. was ever asking for a new camera system, leading u to -- MS. MR. MS. MR. are Mr. Comtech? MS. : MR. MS. : what else. MR. Okay. Do .o lieve appropriate action was taken if knew -- August 10th? I don't know. You're not aware. What responsibilities as the Phones. Radios. And cameras. Okay. Other than that, I'm not sure 36 1 that the cameras were offline, and then he went 2 home, and the plan was to fix it the next day? 3 MS. : I don't know. I don't know. 4 MR. : You don't know. Okay. 5 What is your understanding of what happened to 6 Epstein on August 9th and 10th of 2019? 7 MS. IIII: Well, I don't know, he hanged 8 himself. 9 MR. He hung himself? 10 MS. Yeah. 11 MR. Is it your understanding 12 that he died from hanging within the MCC? 13 MS. : Because of MCC. 14 MR. : Is it your understanding 15 that Mr. Epstein died from hanging within the 16 MCC? 17 MS. : I don't know. 18 MR. You don't even know? 19 MS. I don't even know. 20 MR. So, you said that you 21 thought he hung himself. 22 MS. : That's what -- 23 MR. : So, can you expand on 24 that, then? Where -- 25 MS. -- that's what the media said. EFTA00111429 37 38 1 MR. -- where did he hang 2 himself? 3 MS. In Nine South. 4 MR. 5 the MCC? 6 MS. Yeah. 7 MR. : Do you believe he died 8 when he was here in the MCC? 9 MS. IIII: Well, I wasn't here. I know 10 the media said he died here. I mean 11 MR. . Okay. 12 MS. -- I don't know. 13 MR. But you didn't hear 14 anything 15 MS. 16 MR. 17 MS. 18 MR. 19 spoke about it? 20 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 21 MR. • Really? I'm just -. 22 MS. : You know, everybody, but no, 23 I'm not -. 24 MR. 25 hey -- about -- : No no, no -- -- being here? no, no. In the MCC? No one ever Okay. So, is that within No one ever talked about, 1 MS. M.Ion't 2 -- MR. : -- the biggest, highest 3 profile gu 4 MS. He is the highest profile -- 5 MR. killed himself? 6 MS. of course, but -- 7 MR. Or anything like that? 8 MS. -- no. 9 MR. No? 10 MS. 11 MR. All right. Do you have 12 any information, with regard to any suspicious 13 activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th of 14 2019, leading up to the discovery of Epstein in 15 his cell? 16 MS. 17 MR. What do you know about 18 someone else taking Epstein's life? 19 MS. • No. 20 MR. You don't know anything? 21 MS. 22 MR. What do you know about 23 other's assisting with taking Epstein's life? 24 MS. : No. 25 MR. You don't know anything? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 39 MS. : No. MR. : Okay. Did Epstein take his own life? MS. IIII: I wasn't there. But I don't know. I ii.•• MR. : Okay. Did Epstein act alone in taking his own life? MS. : If he was alone? MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. to just sa MS. MR. MS. Did he act alone? I wasn't there. So, you're not sure? Yeah. And that's totally fine I don't know. : I wasn't there. No, no, no. I know. I didn't even see it. Like MR. No, that's what I'm saying, is that total acceptable answer for you to say I don't know. MS. IIII: I don't know. It's, like, what the hell, to see if he did. I don't know what he did. It's just, it's all over the media, but no. MR. Did you have any 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 40 involvement with Epstein's death? MS. : No. MR. : Do you know what would have prevented Epstein's death? That is, what actions should have been taken to prevent his death? MS. : I don't know. MR. You don't -- MS. MR. • -- you don't know. Were you ever a correctional officer? MS. : No. MR. No. Okay. And when you came with the BOP, what did you start as? MS. : I started as a unit team. MR. And what does that mean? MS. : Unit team are, like, we have counselors, case managers, secretaries. That's what I used to do, is a unit secretary. Case managers. Unit managers and stuff. Dealing with the inmates. You know? MR. : Okay. MS. : And taking care of them. MR. : So, not, like, watching over the cells or doing cell searches, or EFTA00111430 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 41 counts, or anything like that? MS. IIII: No, no, no, no, no. Oh, like, what -- MR. MS. MR. MR. . Or rounds. -- officers does? No. No. Okay. : Isn't that - sorry - isn't a unit team member also a C.O.? MS. IIII: We all are correctional officers, but I know exactly what he means. What he means is. like -- MR. • He means, like -. MS. : -- as an officer, like, how they do, like, all their rounds and stuff like that. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. in -- MS. : -- work in custody at all. MR. : -- custody. MS. : Yeah. MR. : Okay. And this is the • And custody. Working -- Custody. Yeah. • -- have you ever -? o. I do not -- So, you've never worked 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 42 last question that I have for you. What are some of the systematic problems inside the MCC? And specifically, the SHU that allowed for Epstein to die. : Don't know. Okay. Do you have any MS. MR. more? MR. : Yeah. You mentioned that Mr. was a communicator. Doesn't it mean, like, if there were any issues or anything that came up, he would actually address it with the supervisor? MS. Yeah. He will. MR. : Okay. Has he ever come to you with an issues? MS. No. MR. : Now, if did come to you durin that week - just a hypothetical -- MS. Mm-hmm. MR. : -- if he did come to you that week, saying, hey, listen, the cameras are down, what would you have told him to do? MS. IIII: I would speak to my AW, the warden, the president, and everybody, we're fixing this situation. 43 1 MR. : And you would have told him 2 to fix it before he went home? 3 MS. Mi Yeah. 4 MR. : You mentioned there were 5 comtechs in August of 2019iiiiiit? Was it 6 another person other than , also? 7 MS. IIII: What do you mean, there was 8 Comtech? 9 MR. : You said there were -- 10 MS. is a Comtech. 11 MR. : -- is there another Comtech 12 that you were referring -? 13 MS. : Now, there is. 14 MR. : Oh, not back then? 15 MS. : I don't recall if he got hired 16 back then. 17 MR. : Okay. Who was the other 18 person? 19 MS. 20 MR. : First name? 21 MS. 22 MR. : Okay. That's all I got. 23 MR. And oh, because we showed 24 you this, do you mind just initialing and 25 dating it? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 44 MS. : Oh. MR. : It's not certifying the accuracy. It's just to say that -- MS. : Ri ht here? MR. : -- that's what we -? Yeah. That would be great. That's just -- MS. : Initial? MR. • -- the email. Yes, please. MR. : And today's date. 8/5/21. MS. Today is -- MR. : 8/5/21. MS. : Five. MR. • Okay. If you could just bear with me. We were just provided this documentation. So, we just wanted you to - before we say done, I want to see what this says. What is a CSM? MS. IIII: CSM? Correctional System Management. MR. : Okay. And I'm going to just read this to you. So, this is from when the camera system, I guess, has a problem, back MS. IIII: Mm-hmm. EFTA00111431 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 45 MR. -- in the day, they would contact the contractor, and then, they would report what was relayed. MS. : Mm-hmm. MR. : So, maybe you might be able to hel fill in the blanks here. It says, called us on Thursday, August 8th, stating that he had two bad drives on his raid, until" - or, sorry, "unit, of the NICE Vision Pro Unit NVR. We advised him to get replacement drives. Once they are replaced, they should start to initialize tplItcome available for the raid array. did not have drives readily available. He checked with his local CSM to see if they had any spare replacement drives." So, do you know what the local CSM would mean? MS. No. MR. Do you think that may be MS. CSM? No. That's probably something on their behalf. I don't -. MR. : Okay. "Once he located replacement drives on Friday, August 9th, he did not have access to the DVR room to replace -? 46 1 them. He called SIGNET (Phonetic Sp. 2 *00:26:14) for phone support, on Saturday, 3 August 10th, when he gained access to the DVR 4 room. He attempted to replace the drives, and 5 they started to rebuild. During the rebuild 6 process of the drives, the drives were required 7 to be taken out of the raid on DVR-2. Once the 8 drives are removed without proper shutdown of 9 the recorder, the video database becomes 10 corrupted. Typically, any time the raid on a 11 raid-five configuration was just two drives. 12 The raid needs to be rebuilt and all data is 13 wiped from the raid." Do you know anything 14 about that? 15 MS. 16 MR. No? All right. And just 17 because I read that, you mind just initialing 18 and datin that? 19 MS. : Sure. 20 MR. This a service request 21 number 24975. 22 MS. : Si n here? 23 MR. Actually, you can just 24 sign the to this. 25 MS. IIII: Okay. 47 1 MR. : What did you think CSM meant? 2 MS. CM -- 3 MR. : CM -. 4 MS. -- well, we have a CSM here, 5 which is Correctional System Management, but 6 that's a -. 7 MR. What do they do? 8 MR. : Because it said he 9 checked with his local CSM. 10 MR. : Do they keep, like, a -- 11 MS. : (Indiscernible *00:27:13). 12 MR. : -- supplies on hand, or 13 anything like that? 14 MS. IIII: Correctional What is it 15 again? 16 MR. It says he checked with 17 his local CSM. 18 MS. IIII: Yeah. That's probably 19 something else. That's probably something with 20 cameras, but we do have a Correctional System, 21 but that's -- 22 MR. : What's Correctional -? 23 MS. : -- that's the intake. 24 MR. : Oh. 25 MS. : That's (Indiscernible 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 *00:27:27). MR. anything? MS. MR. us, that We MS. MR. cameras been down -- MS. : No. MR. All right. MS. : MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. We're goin to MS. : MR. Special Agent 1:26 p.m., and re 48 : They don't keep supplies or No. No. Okay. Anything else for not asking you? No. Anything else about the -- or Epstein dying? No? All right. Jesus Christ. I'm, like -- Yeah. no. Like -. All right. Hold on. stop this thing. Okay. lila this is Senior . The time is recorder. I am stopping the EFTA00111432 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of IIII Brianna Rose Burton, Transcriber EFTA00111433